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Offline Jan

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2014, 12:43:PM »
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Jeremy's best option was to ring the police. Several threads already created.

They are opinion and suppostion - just  because you believe your own conclusions does not mean we have to .

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #91 on: June 24, 2014, 12:50:PM »
Maggie said Jeremy would be first on the scene in the morning.

Is that better than Jeremy being able to spend hours insinuating Sheila in a siege situation ? After being picked up by the police of course.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2014, 12:52:PM by Adam »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #92 on: June 24, 2014, 12:50:PM »
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Adam,you can create as many threads until the cows come home,but you can't alter the fact that there was great incompetency involving EP and its tin-pot investigations.
Until an admission comes forthwith ( Hell will freeze over first ) I can't see any further advancement with the case.
 Nothing short of a miracle is what's needed right now.

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #93 on: June 24, 2014, 12:58:PM »
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Jeremy's best option was to ring the police. Several threads already created.
Just your assumptions Adam I'm afraid. Jeremy would probably have had breakfast at home befor going to the farm. Also the time for him starting work was probably the same as everyone else? In fact one farm worker turned up long after the police arrived on the scene. It would therefore be ney bother to Jeremy even if he had discovered the scene by being the first there.

While we are on the subject. How was he to enter the farm house? Did he have a key, or did he not have a key. If he had a key to the front door then there would not have been all this discussion as to how he entered or left the premises.

If he did not have a key to the premises then when he could not make anyone hear his knocks he would probably have gone to a neighbour's house, or eventually have callled the police. So as I said, ney borther.

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #94 on: June 24, 2014, 01:01:PM »
Jeremy leaving the bodies to be found would still be a suspect. Especially with Neville having put up a fight.

Sheila would have been the main suspect. But the relatives would still not believe it & there was only one other person who had a motive to kill those five people. Other people have agreed today no one would believe a random stranger massacre or that the person who found the bodies (Barbara Wilson ?) committed the crime. Although Jeremy if under pressure may suggest the random stranger scenario.

Jeremy may have been interviewed straight away by the police & been a suspect much sooner. Especially if he showed indifference to the deaths. He would have no alibi.



So it makes sense for Jeremy to phone the police & lead them in a direction on the back of Nevilles call. Giving himself an alibi at the same time which cannot be disproven. The police did not know Jeremy and  would surely never believe Jeremy would committ such a horrific crime.

It also makes sense to phone Chelmsford police station, which was seven miles further away from WHF than Witham. Jeremy said he did not phone 999 because it 'did not occur to him' although dialling 999 is quicker than looking for a phone number & will result in a quicker response time.

The longer the delay between his 3.26am phone call & the discovery of the bodies, the more it gets into everyones mind sets that there really is a crazy woman with a gun still alive inside. Jeremy could spend several hours continuing to enlighten everyone about his 'nutter' sister & Nevilles phone call /alibi.

The Raid Team would automatically be called in a seige situation. Delaying things by several more hours. Jeremys Neville phone alibi is becoming more plausible by the minute. He 'should have been an actor'.

Having the police pick Jeremy up would have been even better still. It would have shown him as having just got dressed & rushing into their car. Giving the impression he had been at home all night & woken up by Nevilles call.  It is also another alibi, showing Jeremy did not phone from WHF. However the police refused Jeremys request & told him to make his own way. Jeremy did the next best thing & arrived after the police. Driving very slowly.

So the phone call to the police meant Jeremy could work with & assist the police. Use his charm to become their buddies. Give them his version of events & look upset when the bodies are discovered. By 9am that morning & for the next few weeks, Neville's alibi had worked.

Jeremys supporters say 'why phone the police if you are not innocent'? Another equally good question is 'why not phone the police if guilty ' ?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #95 on: June 24, 2014, 01:09:PM »
Jeremy leaving the bodies to be found would still be a suspect. Especially with Neville having put up a fight.

Sheila would have been the main suspect. But the relatives would still not believe it & there was only one other person who had a motive to kill those five people. Other people have agreed today no one would believe a random stranger massacre or that the person who found the bodies (Barbara Wilson ?) committed the crime. Although Jeremy if under pressure may suggest the random stranger scenario.

Jeremy may have been interviewed straight away by the police & been a suspect much sooner. Especially if he showed indifference to the deaths. He would have no alibi.



So it makes sense for Jeremy to phone the police & lead them in a direction on the back of Nevilles call. Giving himself an alibi at the same time which cannot be disproven. The police did not know Jeremy and  would surely never believe Jeremy would committ such a horrific crime.

It also makes sense to phone Chelmsford police station, which was seven miles further away from WHF than Witham. Jeremy said he did not phone 999 because it 'did not occur to him' although dialling 999 is quicker than looking for a phone number & will result in a quicker response time.

The longer the delay between his 3.26am phone call & the discovery of the bodies, the more it gets into everyones mind sets that there really is a crazy woman with a gun still alive inside. Jeremy could spend several hours continuing to enlighten everyone about his 'nutter' sister & Nevilles phone call /alibi.

The Raid Team would automatically be called in a seige situation. Delaying things by several more hours. Jeremys Neville phone alibi is becoming more plausible by the minute. He 'should have been an actor'.

Having the police pick Jeremy up would have been even better still. It would have shown him as having just got dressed & rushing into their car. Giving the impression he had been at home all night & woken up by Nevilles call.  It is also another alibi, showing Jeremy did not phone from WHF. However the police refused Jeremys request & told him to make his own way. Jeremy did the next best thing & arrived after the police. Driving very slowly.

So the phone call to the police meant Jeremy could work with & assist the police. Use his charm to become their buddies. Give them his version of events & look upset when the bodies are discovered. By 9am that morning & for the next few weeks, Neville's alibi had worked.

Jeremys supporters say 'why phone the police if you are not innocent'? Another equally good question is 'why not phone the police if guilty ' ?
(1) If there is a murder police always suspect the family first of all. In this case everyone connected with the family. But Jeremy would not have been the only suspect.
(2) There would have been no silencer looked for let alone allegedly found.
(3) JM would not have testified against him.
But who knows, the resulting guilty verdict may still have happened? When some are intent on implicating those who are the greatest threat to their own livelyhoods you will still get moj's.

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #96 on: June 24, 2014, 01:10:PM »
 I doubt that any " competent murderer " would sh1t on his own doorstep.

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #97 on: June 24, 2014, 01:32:PM »
Maggie said Jeremy would be first on the scene in the morning.

Is that better than Jeremy being able to spend hours insinuating Sheila in a siege situation ? After being picked up by the police of course.
When was he picked up by the police? I thought he made his own way there?

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #98 on: June 24, 2014, 01:42:PM »
When was he picked up by the police? I thought he made his own way there?





Is right,Grahame. They wouldn't even pick him up !

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #99 on: June 24, 2014, 04:23:PM »
Maggie said Jeremy would be first on the scene in the morning.

Is that better than Jeremy being able to spend hours insinuating Sheila in a siege situation ? After being picked up by the police of course.
I believe it was probably so but I don't know for certain what time others turned up or what the procedure was first thing in the morning though I presume Jeremy would turn up and go straight into the farmhouse but not ever having been there at that time in the morning or any other time I cannot be absolutely certain. 8) 8)

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #100 on: June 24, 2014, 04:56:PM »
When was he picked up by the police? I thought he made his own way there?

He asked the police to pick him up.

See my 'Jeremy's double alibi attempt. Would it have made a difference' thread.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2014, 05:02:PM »
He asked the police to pick him up.

See my 'Jeremy's double alibi attempt. Would it have made a difference' thread.

Because they asked him to meet them there and wait until they arrived ? Whats wrong with that.

Boasting about your threads again? Full of yourself today aren't you ;)

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2014, 06:14:PM »
He asked the police to pick him up.

See my 'Jeremy's double alibi attempt. Would it have made a difference' thread.
I don't see that in any of his statements Adam? Or was that from that book you read? All I have read is that he was told to meet them there?

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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2014, 06:20:PM »
Can you post these version's , you mention above please ?

Sorry, no - you'll just have to take my word for it. They haven't been released 'yet'.
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Re: Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?
« Reply #104 on: June 24, 2014, 06:23:PM »




Hi Caroline,,my own view is that it's going on for 30 years and IF it had been a fake,,there'd have been thousands of people up in arms and not just a handful on one or two forums thrashing it out.
Police and mistakes are,and have come to the fore of late,so why not in this case ?

Neither is it a cover-up. The police have clearly made mistakes but nobody is prepared to rectify them for obvious reasons. The same things happen in hospitals. The ones who make mistakes/slip-ups will NEVER admit to doing it,though how they can live their lives knowing that they've either caused someones' death,or in Jeremys' case,incarceration,I don't know,but they do,and like SJ,go their graves with that mistake. Which is going to happen here.

Like I just said to Jon, they haven't been released. I did actually post them here last year before I realised that the Official Site referred to them but said they couldn't yet post copies.Until they are offically in the public domain, I can't (and won't) post them.
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