Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?

[susan]

Adam think it would have made a difference thread.

[scipio_usmc]

I believe it was probably so but I don't know for certain what time others turned up or what the procedure was first thing in the morning though I presume Jeremy would turn up and go straight into the farmhouse but not ever having been there at that time in the morning or any other time I cannot be absolutely certain.

In all likelihood there would have been someone who worked at the farm before Jeremy usually arrived.

This is bad in the sense that Jeremy has no alibi.  Saying he was home alone sleeping is not a solid alibi if they suspect it is murder.

His frame job featured making an alibi of sorts by saying he was hope to receive a phone call and making sure police saw him arrive so they would not think he was there and had phoned from WHF then walked outside. 

His frame job also placed the blame sqaurely on Sheila to try to cast suspicion away from him. Instead of just leaving the rifle on her he went out of his way to suggest she was responsible.

Had he simply left her body seated where she died, have taken the suppressor off before killing her, had not made up the story about the gun lacking the suppressor, had staged a box that had at least 5 less bullets and not had told Julie so much he would have gotten away with it.

[nugnug]

if your innocent you cant choose what your alibi is.

the reason a lot of people dont have good albis when there acused of crimes is becouse they dont think they will need an albi becouse they dont know there going to be accused of a crime.

[scipio_usmc]

if your innocent you cant choose what your alibi is.

the reason a lot of people dont have good albis when there acused of crimes is becouse they dont think they will need an albi becouse they dont know there going to be accused of a crime.

Which goes to prove he is not innocent because instead of being asleep without an alibi other than sleeping he invented the alibi of being home when Nevill phoned. He made up an alibi because he is guilty.  He messed up the frame job and thus got caught.

[Adam]

I don't see that in any of his statements Adam? Or was that from that book you read? All I have read is that he was told to meet them there?

[Adam]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=3fupU66vOYXF7Aaz7IHABw&url=http://crimeheartsandcoronets.blogspot.com/2010/11/jeremy-bamber-guilty-as-charged.html%3Fm%3D1&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNF8FRXwlb0EyzXJ_jYIMjyaamC2KQ

[Caroline]

Which goes to prove he is not innocent because instead of being asleep without an alibi other than sleeping he invented the alibi of being home when Nevill phoned. He made up an alibi because he is guilty.  He messed up the frame job and thus got caught.

I have to admit, I have a hard time accepting the phone call BUT I have seen things (logs) that make me question both sides.

[grahameb]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=3fupU66vOYXF7Aaz7IHABw&url=http://crimeheartsandcoronets.blogspot.com/2010/11/jeremy-bamber-guilty-as-charged.html%3Fm%3D1&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNF8FRXwlb0EyzXJ_jYIMjyaamC2KQ

So it was not in any of Jeremy's statements then? It appears to me that whoever wrote the article in the link you provided had got it wrong?

[Adam]

Why would Jeremy say this in his statement ?

[scipio_usmc]

I have to admit, I have a hard time accepting the phone call BUT I have seen things (logs) that make me question both sides.

What is so questionable about the log? 

PC West submitted a written statement recounting how Jeremy phoned to report that Nevill had called him.  The statement explains how he then contacted Bonnet through the internal wireless radio communication system requesting a car be dispatched and that he recounted to Bonnet everything he was told.

Bonnet in turn submitted his own statement stating that PC West had contacted him to send a car to WHF because of the acocunt Jeremy told West. 

Bonnet's log matches his statement.  It details that he received a message from PC West (PcWest is listed as the caller) and  recounts how Jeremy was allegedly called by Nevill and recounts what Nevill allegedly stated to Jeremy.

PC West's log matches his claims he made in his statement as well.

The only issue at all is that one stated 3:26 and another the time as 3:36 wiht the discrepancy obviously was either a typographical error or misreading of the clock.

[Caroline]

What is so questionable about the log? 

PC West submitted a written statement recounting how Jeremy phoned to report that Nevill had called him.  The statement explains how he then contacted Bonnet through the internal wireless radio communication system requesting a car be dispatched and that he recounted to Bonnet everything he was told.

Bonnet in turn submitted his own statement stating that PC West had contacted him to send a car to WHF because of the acocunt Jeremy told West. 

Bonnet's log matches his statement.  It details that he received a message from PC West (PcWest is listed as the caller) and  recounts how Jeremy was allegedly called by Nevill and recounts what Nevill allegedly stated to Jeremy.

PC West's log matches his claims he made in his statement as well.

The only issue at all is that one stated 3:26 and another the time as 3:36 wiht the discrepancy obviously was either a typographical error or misreading of the clock.

COLP asked for and EXACT copy of  the original phone log so you would imagine that 'Tolleshunt' would be spelled qonly one way from original to the copy given to Colp?

[scipio_usmc]

COLP asked for and EXACT copy of  the original phone log so you would imagine that 'Tolleshunt' would be spelled qonly one way from original to the copy given to Colp?

The claim Bonnet fielded a call from Nevill is impossible.  Bonnet's line was an internal HQ police line.  Calling 999 would not result in Bonnet answering nor would calling the main Chemsford police station line.  The station he was at could only be reached by someone who knew the unpublished extension number he was at.  His job was to dispatch cars and keep incident reports for each that police reported to him not to field calls from the public. 

Jeremy phoned Julie around 3AM which means Nevill would have to have phoned him earlier than this.  The notion that Nevill was still alive at 3:36AM and no shooting had taken place but that Sheila then killed everyone including herself prior to police arriving is simply not credible. 

At the end of the day though one wondering if Nevill called police would have to search the records of those manning the 999 lines and published police lines for evidence of Nevill phoning directly and somehow not reporting the incident to Bonnet but to someone else who was unaware Bonnet already was handling the incident reports. 

At most Bonnet would be in a position to conceal that a cop or 999 operator reported to HQ that Nevill had phoned them. 

But that is not what is being alleged. It is being alleged he fielded a call directly which is impossible and that allegation is mainly because of he quoted what Nevill supposedly told Jeremy.

[grahameb]

Which goes to prove he is not innocent because instead of being asleep without an alibi other than sleeping he invented the alibi of being home when Nevill phoned. He made up an alibi because he is guilty.  He messed up the frame job and thus got caught.

You can't say it goes to prove anything. You may say that it is indicative that he is guilty. But not proof.

[grahameb]

Why would Jeremy say this in his statement ?

Then you have not established that what you say is true. It simply is not good enough to allege something on someone else's sayso. That person may be wrong and you may be just passing on the myth just because you think it was true?

[grahameb]

The claim Bonnet fielded a call from Nevill is impossible.  Bonnet's line was an internal HQ police line.  Calling 999 would not result in Bonnet answering nor would calling the main Chemsford police station line.  The station he was at could only be reached by someone who knew the unpublished extension number he was at.  His job was to dispatch cars and keep incident reports for each that police reported to him not to field calls from the public. 

Jeremy phoned Julie around 3AM which means Nevill would have to have phoned him earlier than this.  The notion that Nevill was still alive at 3:36AM and no shooting had taken place but that Sheila then killed everyone including herself prior to police arriving is simply not credible. 

At the end of the day though one wondering if Nevill called police would have to search the records of those manning the 999 lines and published police lines for evidence of Nevill phoning directly and somehow not reporting the incident to Bonnet but to someone else who was unaware Bonnet already was handling the incident reports. 

At most Bonnet would be in a position to conceal that a cop or 999 operator reported to HQ that Nevill had phoned them. 

But that is not what is being alleged. It is being alleged he fielded a call directly which is impossible and that allegation is mainly because of he quoted what Nevill supposedly told Jeremy.

I dispute the timing of the call to JM. I detect a bit of jiggery pockery with those times so it would harmonize with the prosecution's account of what happened. At least one other person in the house where muggy was testified that the time was around 3.30am. I think JM was being rather economical with the truth with the help of one detective Jones?