Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1055444 times)

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and still you saying that doesn't change anything.  :)

Innocent transfer. Case closed.

no if that was true then sperm would be found on every murder victem.

the inocent transfer theory does not hold water as far as i am concerned.

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lol, unless every single murder victim was wearing their sisters shirt, and the sperm conveniently happened to be her sisters boyfriends, then no.

Don't be silly.

Where do you live nugnug are you in Edinburgh?

theres absolutely no evidence that it was her t shirt.

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how do you her story will never change.

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Your point?

My point is that you you are claiming that it is a fact that Kelly had an alibi, as well as everyone else, except Luke.

What I am saying is that his alibi is questionable due to a Jones family member giving a statement which did not include Kelly with Janine in the house, therefore it is possible that he didnt have a rock solid alibi. 

When you first started posting on this thread, you quoted a post from the wap forum.  Part of your quote included information and facts about peoples alibis......

Quote that you posted from the WAP forum.....UPDATE: The alibi for a further potential suspect, who had serious mental health issues, and whose illness had escalated in the weeks  prior to Jodi’s death, was given by other family members. However, the two people who provided that alibi were out for part of the evening (so could not confirm the alibi that this person was “at home.” On their return, they confirmed that he was “at home” although they also confirmed that they did no actually see him there until much later in the evenng, after it had been confirmed that Jodi was missing. The claim that he was at home the whole evening was based on a claim that, on returning from the earlier outing, this person had called out from another room. However, the initial statement from one of these family members stated that this person was not at home prior to the outing, but Jodi’s sister was. This was later explained as “a mistake.”

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Ah yes so they both killed Jodi for no apparent reason, Joe stood there and watched as his sisters boyfriend murdered his youngest sister. Or was it vice versa?

It definitely had nothing to do with her knife carrying boyfriend who she had walked the path to meet, the same one who couldn't get his alibi straight and was spotted on both sides of the path by independent witnesses.


I know which one I find easier to believe.

Lithium, none of your scenarios are believable IMO.

LM was not spotted on both sides of the path, however 3 witnesses place him exactly where he said he was near his home.

Luke was spotted at the Easthouses end of the path?  You cant have it both ways, was he spotted at Easthouses end of the path or did she walk the path to meet him at Newbattle?

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No matter how many times you repeat that, it will never matter. Haha.

Lets get this right Lithium.  Are you saying that "it will never matter" that the sperm and blood of an identified male found at the crime scene, also unidentified spermheads, hair, saliva, etc on the clothes and naked body of JJ, that did not belong to Luke Mitchell, should be ignored? 

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no he wasnt you made that up.

who is supposed to have spotted them arguing.

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They aren't my scenarios though are they. He was spotted arguing with her at Easthouses end, then later spotted alone at Newbattle end.

What happened on the path then. Who else would she climb the wall with or what reason would she have to go over, if she was headed straight for Luke's alone like you suggest.

Spotted by whom?  Do you mean the person who could not pick Luke Mitchell out in the dock?  The same person that could not describe the clothing that Jodi was wearing and who failed to see the females face?  This same witness described a male, but was not the description of Luke, so I'm not suprised that she failed to identify the guy in the dock as the person she claims to have seen with a female at Easthouses, entrance to the path.

There is no evidence that Jodi went over the v in the wall, on her own or with anyone else, so I will reserve judgement on how she got behind the wall.

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she never said she saw luke mitchell she said she a girl who might of been jodi talking to a man dressed in a fishing jacket.

and there was nothing about them arguing as i recall.

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Janine said so herself. This will never change.

What reason has she for lying in the investigation of her sisters murder?

I don't believe she was lying about the t-shirt.  She had at least 6 black t-shirts, it would be very easy to lose track of which one was which.  She wasn't even aware that a t-shirt or any other article of clothing was amiss. 

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and still you saying that doesn't change anything.  :)

Innocent transfer. Case closed.

Innocent young man in prison.  Case ongoing.

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They aren't my scenarios though are they. He was spotted arguing with her at Easthouses end, then later spotted alone at Newbattle end.

What happened on the path then. Who else would she climb the wall with or what reason would she have to go over, if she was headed straight for Luke's alone like you suggest.

They are, you wrote them.

I didn't suggest anything.  I quoted direct from your post.


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lol, unless every single murder victim was wearing their sisters shirt, and the sperm conveniently happened to be her sisters boyfriends, then no.

Don't be silly.

Where do you live nugnug are you in Edinburgh?

Forget about sisters, and boyfriends and then read nugnugs post again.  He is being far from silly.  Think about it  ;)

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if its that easy for sperm to transfer we all walking around with sperm on us.

every murder victem in the country would have sperm on them but they do not.

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I made nothing up.

Any explanation as to why you would be connected to images for John Braes Gardiner Lamberton?

http://www.yasni.co.uk/john+braes+gardiner+lamberton/check+people