The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[nugnug]

are so where would mr kelly have been then.

[nugnug]

ive considred the innocent transfer theory but i dont think it really holds water if it did nearly all murder victems would have sperm on them.

[campion]

  Sandra, At what stage did Luke speak to a legal representative, and as a minor was a solicitor present at his Police Interviews ? I am unclear from your earlier post.

[Lugg]

Luke didn't have a "defence team" until 7 months later - he wasn't charged with anything, and was released on August 14th after the Section 14 "interview" without charge - there's no legal aid for being a "suspect" (except initial advice and assistance) - Luke's legal team would only be paid for coming out to represent him/advise him when the police descended to interrogate him.

The statements about the identical t shirts did not come into existence until almost 5 weeks after Luke was last interrogated - even if his legal team had been allowed into the interview (which they were not), they wouldn't have known anything about SK's DNA on the t shirt.

Why wasn't he investigated more closely? I have no idea - Luke was the prime suspect from the minute the body was found, although the police insist it was 2 days later. I guess, by the time this info got to them, all their eggs were in the one basket, gunning for Luke.

Again unfortunately that is typical of the police. They get a suspect and concentrate entirely up on him instead of looking for anyone else. Pretty stupid really. Most of them are very lacking in the intelligence department.

[Lugg]

  Sandra, At what stage did Luke speak to a legal representative, and as a minor was a solicitor present at his Police Interviews ? I am unclear from your earlier post.

Being a minor he was entitled to an appropriate adult as well as a solicitor. The trouble is that they give the person arrested a form where you tick boxes and sign it at the end. The police will not advice the person if the person does not know what "Do you require a legal representative?" means and therefore the confused minor will often tick the "No" box. Police will try and get away with many things if they are allowed to. You will often find some of the biggest crooks in the police force, as the Jersey childrens homes scandal proves.

[nugnug]

at that time you were not entitled to a solicitor in scotland.

there was a socail worker presnt who stood aside and did nothing while the police were bullying luke.

[campion]

 What are a minors rights under the Human Rights Act, as to being questioned in relation to charges involving Murder ?

[nugnug]

under the human rights act he had a right to legal representation presnt but at that time scotland was not complying with the act.

[campion]

 nugnug, I am struggling a bit with all this, I can't see how a prosecution can take place, that appears from what your saying , in total breach of any rules and safeguards. It brings into question why this wasn't raised by his defence when compared to the treatment of for instance Abu Hamza, why wasn't any of this challenged ?

[nugnug]

until recently scotland just ignored the human rights act.

a ruling was made in the 80s every country in europe complied with it except scotland

hes defence lawyer was donald findlay that tory pillar of the establishment not one to go on about human rights laws or criticise the scottish legal system.

[OnceSaid]

LOL this will poddle lithiums noddle but I also don't feel SK murdered JJ either. I just feel he doesn't really understand what our side of things is here.

Hows uni m8? I saw you on FF the other day, how strange it is that this case should turn up almost everywhere.

OH BTW didn't one of the early statements from the family (you know those statements when everything is fresh in the mind) say that Janine was in the house at some point close to Jodi coming home from school and no sign of Mr Kelly.

and no sign of JoJ either, but I'm sure that Lithium will put that down to another "small mistake".

[nugnug]

are yes no sighn of ethere of them.

[nugnug]

nobody could get there albi straght could they and one of them just happened to get his sperm on the victems clothes and his name wasnt luke mitchell was it.

[nugnug]

well is it doesnt matter i will repeat it agian.

steven kellys sperm was on the victim's clothes.

[nugnug]

was it Joe or Steven, make your mind up please.

i dident say who it was i am just stateing the facts im sorry if you dont like them.