Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1055851 times)

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Offline Beanie

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I hope Simon is free to come home to you soon Stephanie.

Offline sandra L

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campion asked (on another thread)

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I am very interested in this case. Do you have information as to what length of questioning Stephen Kelly underwent regarding his DNA profile and the victim. Also the other cases that You have looked into ?

On September 17th 2003, 11 weeks after the murder, SK gave a statement about a number of points he'd been asked to "clarify" - one of these was the "borrowed T shirt." There are three very short paragraphs in the statement relating to this - he says his girlfriend told him one of her black t shirts is missing, he describes the t-shirt(s) and concludes that Jodi must have been wearing "the other one" because his girlfriend can't find it, and then adds that when he gets undressed at the grandmother's house (where his girlfriend lives), their clothes just get dropped on the floor and "mixed up together."

To our knowledge, that's it - all there is.What's interesting, though, is neither he nor his girlfriend (Jodi's sister) has ever mentioned two identical t shirts until this point - when the sister handed over the t-shirt she was "wearing" that night, from memory, a week or so after the murder,  she did not say to the police, I have two of these - they're identical, but I can't find the other one. She simply did not mention a second t shirt. This is quite important because the morning after the murder, the grandmother started doing the whole extended family's washing - the other t shirt could have been returned, as other items had been, to the mother's house.

Again, to our knowledge, the DNA results were back around July 16th, just a couple of weeks after the murder, but these statements do not appear until 11 weeks after the murder, and both the sister and the boyfriend come up with the same story about identical t shirts which neither has mentioned previously. Presumably, because both the sister an the boyfriend mention their clothes being dropped on the floor "mixed up together," they had been told about the DNA and were "offering" (or had been offered) an "innocent explanation.

Also, Jodi's mother mentions buying identical t-shirts - one for each daughter, but it hasn't been possible to determine whether the description of those t-shirts is the same as the sister/boyfriend description. If it is, then either there are 4 identical t-shirts, in which case it would be impossible to  claim that the one worn by Jodi that night was her sister's, or the two identical t shirts did not both belong to the sister - the girls had one each. That, though, would demolish the "innocent explanation" for the boyfriend's DNA on the t shirt Jodi was wearing.

Other cases I have looked into - to be honest, over the years, I have looked into dozens - I couldn't even hazard a guess at how many. Cases I have become actively involved in amount to probably between 12 and 15, with occasional input or reports into maybe another 20 or so. There's a distinction between writing about cases, and being actively involved in the processes of a case, and of course, sometimes there's also an overlap, and I end up doing both!

Here's the link to the chapter on Luke again, for anyone who didn't see it on the other thread:

http://caseblog.wronglyaccusedperson.org.uk/luke-mitchell-is-innocent/no-smoke/

Please bear in mind, though, that we've found so much more in the five years since the book came out that this chapter is really just the starting point!


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 Yes, I fully understand, after five years an enormous amount of work is undertaken with MOJ's. If the T-Shirt explanation is plausible, then how is that explanation plausible when considered against the other item of clothing with Stephen Kelly's DNA profile on. ( I do not wish to cheapen your work with suggestive overtones that could be judged by others in a derogatory way ) I find it easier to write so avoiding offence to others, as I am finding out this was an horrific attack.

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It was suggested at trial that the DNA was transferred by "rainwater diffusion." If Jodi was fully dressed, and was soaked in the rain, that might be a plausible explanation, although it would have to be one heck of a soaking to have carried right through the t shirt and the underwear, to be present on the inside of the underwear.

But there was a light shower in the late afternoon - around 5 o'clock, and a couple of threats of rainfall (delightfully referred to here in Scotland as "spitting") throughout the evening, and then a heavier fall round about 9 o'clock, so there was no rain which could account for such a soaking. (The heaviest rainfall, from memory, was much later, at around 3am).

The periods in between the "spittings" were bright and sunny - I was sitting out on the porch reading that evening, and was only forced indoors by the sudden shower around 9pm.

The rainwater diffusion cannot stand up if the rainfall at 9pm or 3am were the cause - the items were found several feet apart from each other and the body, and the murder was claimed to have taken place at 5.15pm.
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im no expert but i would rain would have washed the sperm away not transferred it

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 Sandra, With such a definitive piece of DNA, I am surprised he wasn't helping more with inquiries, didn't Luke's Defence team raise this as an issue with the Investigating Officers, I just don't buy the fact that a teenager would wear the previously worn T-Shirt of her Sister...... the other explanation is nothing short of ridiculous, when compared to the micro-fibre evidence used to convict Simon Hall. Why wasn't Kelly arrested ?

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Luke didn't have a "defence team" until 7 months later - he wasn't charged with anything, and was released on August 14th after the Section 14 "interview" without charge - there's no legal aid for being a "suspect" (except initial advice and assistance) - Luke's legal team would only be paid for coming out to represent him/advise him when the police descended to interrogate him.

The statements about the identical t shirts did not come into existence until almost 5 weeks after Luke was last interrogated - even if his legal team had been allowed into the interview (which they were not), they wouldn't have known anything about SK's DNA on the t shirt.

Why wasn't he investigated more closely? I have no idea - Luke was the prime suspect from the minute the body was found, although the police insist it was 2 days later. I guess, by the time this info got to them, all their eggss were in the one basket, gunning for Luke.

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yes indeed why wasnt he investigated.

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because he had an alibi, from jodi's own sister no less

an albi from your girlfriend does not really mean much especially if its been properly investigated.

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you really dont have anything solid to focus on at all so you cling to things like small mistakes in the familys statements and dna on her sisters shirt

says alot about your case


and is that stephanie in her picture

maybe i will call u after all

 ;D

dna is hardly a small thing. especially when its sperm.

and especially when its all over a murder victim's clothes.
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havent lost your charm have you.
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because he had an alibi, from jodi's own sister no less

Anyone can give someone an alibi, doesn't make it true though.  As for Jodi's sister giving Kelly an alibi, only she will know whether she told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.  I am not convinced that Kelly had an airtight alibi, but that doesn't mean that I think he murdered JJ's.



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another pointless post with no substance from nugnug what else is new

pots and kettles come to mind  ::)

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Anyone can give someone an alibi, doesn't make it true though.  As for Jodi's sister giving Kelly an alibi, only she will know whether she told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.  I am not convinced that Kelly had an airtight alibi, but that doesn't mean that I think he murdered JJ's.

im not convinced he did ethere.

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LOL this will poddle lithiums noddle but I also don't feel SK murdered JJ either. I just feel he doesn't really understand what our side of things is here.

Hows uni m8? I saw you on FF the other day, how strange it is that this case should turn up almost everywhere.

OH BTW didn't one of the early statements from the family (you know those statements when everything is fresh in the mind) say that Janine was in the house at some point close to Jodi coming home from school and no sign of Mr Kelly.