5 bodies no time of death

[nugnug]

this is somthing thats allways bugged me about the case they had 5 bodys to work on.

but they couldent get a time of death from any of them,

[Adam]

If it was Sheila, everyone must have died between 3.20am - 3.48am.

Neville was still alive and phoned Jeremy at 3.20am saying 'Sheila has gone crazy and she's got the gun'. Surely Neville had not already let Sheila kill everyone else and reload. Had he ?

The police arrived at 3.48am. They do not recall hearing any shots or seeing anyone going 'crazy' inside WHF. Apart from the 'trick of the light'.

Sheila certainly killed Neville after 3.20am. Beating and shooting him. If the others were still alive, she then shot them. Then shot herself, once.  Took the silencer off. Put it neatly away. Showered and changed. Painted her toe nails. Then shot herself again. All in less than half an hour.

[Adam]

If it was Jeremy it was between 11pm - 2am. Probably around 2am as that is likely to be the time they are in their deepest sleep.

But Jeremy told police he was 'sleeping like a log'. Luckily he managed to hear his downstairs phone. And answer it before the answering machine clicked on.

[nugnug]

what im suprised at is they couldn't get a time of death out of at least one body.

[Jan]

If it was Sheila, everyone must have died between 3.20am - 3.48am.

Neville was still alive and phoned Jeremy at 3.20am saying 'Sheila has gone crazy and she's got the gun'. Surely Neville had not already let Sheila kill everyone else and reload. Had he ?

The police arrived at 3.48am. They do not recall hearing any shots or seeing anyone going 'crazy' inside WHF. Apart from the 'trick of the light'.

Sheila certainly killed Neville after 3.20am. Beating and shooting him. If the others were still alive, she then shot them. Then shot herself, once.  Took the silencer off. Put it neatly away. Showered and changed. Painted her toe nails. Then shot herself again. All in less than half an hour.

could have been 3.10 ( as you well know because even the police have different times recorded )

And how do you know that Sheila was not alive whilst the police were outside ?

We cant even establish what lights were on or off - so for those few hours she could have been in a bedroom out of site contemplating what she had done. You can be sarcastic if you want but you have come up with some pretty ridiculous scenarios yourself to be fair.

[nugnug]

now if bodys had been moved that could of made it harder to tell the time of death but they couldn't all of been moved theres no suggestion that june or the twins were.

[Adam]

If it was Sheila, everyone must have died between 3.20am - 3.48am.

Neville was still alive and phoned Jeremy at 3.20am saying 'Sheila has gone crazy and she's got the gun'. Surely Neville had not already let Sheila kill everyone else and reload. Had he ?

The police arrived at 3.48am. They do not recall hearing any shots or seeing anyone going 'crazy' inside WHF. Apart from the 'trick of the light'.

Sheila certainly killed Neville after 3.20am. Beating and shooting him. If the others were still alive, she then shot them. Then shot herself, once.  Took the silencer off. Put it neatly away. Showered and changed. Painted her toe nails. Then shot herself again. All in less than half an hour.

[Adam]

Hang on Adam.

'Sheila did all of that after shooting herself once ? But the pathologist said the shock & pain of the first shot would have left her immobilised. And I thought the gun was too long anyway.

But how did Sheila's blood get on the silencer ? Oh yes, the 'late late' police frame up.

[nugnug]

it strikes me the pathologist was ether very bad or time of death was found but it dident suit the prosecution case.

[Adam]

If it was Sheila, surely everyone died after Neville's phone call.

Neville would not cower in the corner. Then go & ring Jeremy after Sheila  had pumped seven bullets into June. Then four bullets into the twins. Then reloaded and went and fired another four bullets into the twins.

Neville would have done something. Even if it meant he died or got injured. But how would he die or get injured if he confronted Sheila after she had run out of bullets. The 2002 appeal says he was fit & 6.4. BW said he could restrain Sheila with one arm.

[nugnug]

im not  really trying to esbalish a time im trying to establish why they couldent establish a time with 5 body's i would of thought they should have been able to.

[Adam]

What do think Sheila was doing when Neville phoned Jeremy ?

[nugnug]

If it was Sheila, surely everyone died after Neville's phone call.

Neville would not cower in the corner. Then go & ring Jeremy after Sheila  had pumped seven bullets into June. Then four bullets into the twins. Then reloaded and went and fired another four bullets into the twins.

Neville would have done something. Even if it meant he died or got injured. But how would he die or get injured if he confronted Sheila after she had run out of bullets. The 2002 appeal says he was fit & 6.4. BW said he could restrain Sheila with one arm.

well it certan nevile did or he couldent of made the call.

[Jan]

im not  really trying to esbalish a time im trying to establish why they establish a time with 5 body's i would of thought they should have been able to.

quite agree nug nug and if I had been in the defence team I would have asked why nothing was recorded.

was it possibly because of the late time the bodies were taken to the mortuary ?

[nugnug]

it could of been but they have manged to get time off of bodys in worse states before.