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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2014, 02:15:PM »
Funny stuff!  ;D

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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2014, 05:29:PM »
Alias I told you I imagine two fat ladies shakin their booty running down the street after the drop dead gorgeous scipio ;D wonder what they did to him when they caught him :'( maybe more bits shakin ;D

According to my friends they were not shaking their booties but rather fists and sticks.  With or without weapons someone with that much meat on their bones can be dangerous.  There is a show South Beach Tow about a company that tows vehicle and does vehicle reposessions. The fat lady on it, Berniece, is the toughest one of the bunch.  The guys are total wusses she is the one who tosses bodies around including men not just women. 

I don't know if the fat woman story is true or not though. Lesbos running nude after us doesn't seem to make sense. Making up the fat women entirely doesn't sound like what they would make up- if anything they would make up hot women- so we probably did encouter fat women but the story of them chasing us for more than a few seconds I find hard to buy.  Maybe they just ran away from me without being chased and were trying to save face. They ditched me in plenty of other locations including a bad area of New Orleans so I don't particularly believe they made an effort to find me as opposed to either leaving or pursuing more debauchery and almost getting caught for that.     
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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2014, 05:51:PM »
scipio booties would have been much more exciting than fists and sticks what a disappointment for you next time you may get lucky ;D ;D ;D ;D chill out man ;D

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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2014, 05:54:PM »
 It's that fat lady again. ;D ;D She ain't singing---------------yet !!

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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2014, 06:32:PM »
scipio booties would have been much more exciting than fists and sticks what a disappointment for you next time you may get lucky ;D ;D ;D ;D chill out man ;D

I got lucky by either not seeing or not remembering seeing their cottage cheese butts. Once you see rolls of fat it is exit stage left.

If you have a booty like this you need a diet:




   
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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2014, 07:40:PM »
Ha Ha Scipio I think maybe you did get lucky and don't remember it.  I am lucky I have a well toned pert little butt no cream cheese for me ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2014, 09:05:PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2014, 09:27:PM »
this is somthing thats allways bugged me about the case they had 5 bodys to work on.

but they couldent get a time of death from any of them,
They did how could EP come to the conclusion Shelia was responsible if let's say June had died last? You are just being guillable to believe no time was given for each death.
This now is a problem reveal Jeremy is innocent and you show PV adapts his reports to the situation you then ask the awkward question did he adapt his report into Diana's death? This may not what the royal family want more controversy about Diana's death.
So you see the problems?

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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2014, 10:32:PM »
you think they did get a time of death bambergate.

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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2014, 01:56:AM »
you think they did get a time of death bambergate.

Dr Craig reportedly estimated they could have died anytime overnight.  That is according to a pro- Jeremy  source. I have yet to see his actual testimony or statement where he stated such though. 
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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2014, 10:24:AM »
 It's NOT good enough just to guess a time of death. A mans' life depended on this timing,,particularly Sheila who,it seems,was the last to die. What was so difficult that the temps couldn't have been taken whether it was murder or suicide ?

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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2014, 12:24:PM »
Dr Craig reportedly estimated they could have died anytime overnight.  That is according to a pro- Jeremy  source. I have yet to see his actual testimony or statement where he stated such though.


Scipio why do you think Dr Craig only picked one particular wound on each body to mention in his statement ?

This has always puzzled me -  why did he not mention all the other gunshot wounds ?


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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2014, 12:28:PM »
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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2014, 07:21:PM »

Scipio why do you think Dr Craig only picked one particular wound on each body to mention in his statement ?

This has always puzzled me -  why did he not mention all the other gunshot wounds ?

Because he didn't carefully inspect the bodies to count each wound which would have required moving the bodies to inspect every inch and cleaning the blood away to make sure you find them all.  His job was to determine if they were dead.  He noted what he thought could be a fatal shot on each body and the fact they had no vital signs so that he could say they were dead apparently from being shot.

I don't know if he gave any other statements or testified about the time of death or condition of the bodies such as partial rigor. I haven't seen any other statements only a claim he stated they could could died anytime overnight.

By the way, this is one of the things used to twist.  Some Jeremy supporters suggest that Sheila only had 1 wound because he only noted 1 and that this proves the second was fired after he was gone.  But that logic requires asserting the shots to the others were also subsequent.  But they don't do that which shows deception is at play not just making a mistake and not realizing he only mentioned 1 wound for each victim.  Upon scrutiny most claims aimed at supporting Jeremy are akin to this and feature twisting to deceive.  The claim that there is evidence Nevill called police himself is a perfect example.  Also the claim that there was more than 1 suppressor because there were 3 exhibits SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1 but documents show that these are all references to the same suppressor and detail how and why the change occurred.  The documents that use DB/1 and DRB/1 were not created in August 1985 but rather months later. 

When you do this you lose credibility and the public at large will not trust a thing you say even when you say something valid.  So it is not wise to intentionally distort.

Instead of just dismissing a claim based on who made it I am willing to look at the claim to evaluate it but most won't. 



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Re: 5 bodies no time of death
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2014, 07:30:PM »
Because he didn't carefully inspect the bodies to count each wound which would have required moving the bodies to inspect every inch and cleaning the blood away to make sure you find them all.  His job was to determine if they were dead.  He noted what he thought could be a fatal shot on each body and the fact they had no vital signs so that he could say they were dead apparently from being shot.

I don't know if he gave any other statements or testified about the time of death or condition of the bodies such as partial rigor. I haven't seen any other statements only a claim he stated they could could died anytime overnight.

By the way, this is one of the things used to twist.  Some Jeremy supporters suggest that Sheila only had 1 wound because he only noted 1 and that this proves the second was fired after he was gone.  But that logic requires asserting the shots to the others were also subsequent.  But they don't do that which shows deception is at play not just making a mistake and not realizing he only mentioned 1 wound for each victim.  Upon scrutiny most claims aimed at supporting Jeremy are akin to this and feature twisting to deceive.  The claim that there is evidence Nevill called police himself is a perfect example.  Also the claim that there was more than 1 suppressor because there were 3 exhibits SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1 but documents show that these are all references to the same suppressor and detail how and why the change occurred.  The documents that use DB/1 and DRB/1 were not created in August 1985 but rather months later. 

When you do this you lose credibility and the public at large will not trust a thing you say even when you say something valid.  So it is not wise to intentionally distort.

Instead of just dismissing a claim based on who made it I am willing to look at the claim to evaluate it but most won't.

But he would not have had to look very far to see the other wounds on any of the bodies  would he? Surely he could have said "one wound was between the eyes , and there were other shots?/ injuries " then declared them as being dead. He described other parts of the scene that were not necessary - so it seems very unprofessional to me.

Its sloppy statements like this that cause ambiguity . And although I can appreciate your point of view this combines with the police telling the relatives she died of one gun shot and then Sheila saying the same thing seems ridiculous. If they thought it was murder suicide and they all knew she died of two
shots then why not say so.

Also if he left at 9.50 why did the bodies go to the morgue until 3pm?

5 hours of taking photos? Lots of which we apparently have not seen?