Ok I have checked up with several telephone engineers who used to work on the telephone systems such as were at Maldon and the surrounding district and this is what they said:
(1) There was no way that a telephone engineer could tell who hung up the phone first. Unless they were (a) on the phone the same time as the two parties. (b) Using specialist surveilance equipment at the time of the phone calls themselves.
So that means that the telephone "expert" was wrong if he testified that Jeremy ended the call.
(2) As I said before concerning the cut-off point for whoever is ringing another person. Is 6 minutes. Thus making it impossible for Jeremy to phone his own phone from WHF and then pick up the phone at his own cottage. Even if he peddled like the clappers.
Conclusion: What do we deduce from the one telephone call from WHF on the morning of the 7th of August 1985? I believe we can confidently claim that this telephone call backs up the fact that Jeremy did indeed receive a call from his father that morning.
I further suggest that this fact should be included in Jeremy's latest application for appeal. So much for the prosecution "experts". If indeed the expert did actually testify as is claimed by scipio?
Sorry Charlie but there is no way at all for you to say that it is more likely that Nevill phoned Jeremy's house than Jeremy phoned his house himself after murdering everyone.
In fact, it still is as unlikely that Neville called Jeremy as before.
The shooting started in the master bedroom with both parents being shot there. There is no evidence at all that anything occurred downstairs prior to this and no reason for anything to happen downstairs prior to this.
If something had happened downstairs Nevill would have been shot there and then. A crazy person doesn't hide a phone and remove the phone from the bedroom so right off the bat there is a big problem in claiming she went crazy simply in the middle of the night after everyone went to bed.
Never do you or any other Bamber defenders who insist Nevill called Jeremy ever address the questions asked of how he would have the opportunity to call Jeremy let alone a rational reason why he would do so.
The shooting started in the bedroom. There was no phone there and the killer opened fire on both parents.
There was no occasion to call Jeremy let alone a reason.
The evidence Jeremy called himself:
1) Nevill had no opportunity to call
A) The killer entered the bedroom and shot both parents a combined 11 times, there was no phone in the bedroom to use prior to the killer opening fire. All admit he didn't call after the shooting started because he could not speak and would have announced she had been shooting if that were the case.
B) There is no evidence at all that anything happened prior to the killer entering the bedroom to shoot the parents. The claim that the killer had Nevill downstairs not only is not supported by any evidence but makes no sense. If SHeila were having delusions she would not make a conscious decision to allow him to use th ephone, fail to shoot him while he was on the phone and then march him upstairs to shoot him in the bedroom with his wife. The tale makes no sense at all from the alleged standpoint of Sheila in a crazy rage and there is not a shred of evidence any such thing happened. Nevill woudl not have been given any opportunity to use the phone is the bottom line.
2) Even if by some miracle Nevill were given the opportunity to use the phone he had no reason to call Jeremy
A) Nevill was bigger and stronger than Jeremy so had a better physical ability than Jeremy to disarm Sheila
B) Nevill was in a position to disarm Sheila and had the necessity to do so, Jeremy would take 20 minutes or more to arrive. Why would he wait 20 minutes hoping Jeremy would arrive in time to disarm her instead of doing it himself?
C) Sheila and Jeremy did not get along. Seeing Jeremy would make things worse not better. The person with the calming effect on her an dbest chance of disarming her peacably was Nevill.
D) Jeremy had an answering machine and kept the phone on the bottom floor. Chances are the phone would not wake him up even if it rang incessantly and even if it did wake him he would take several minutes to reach the phone. The answering machine would pick up after 4-6 rings rings. So Nevill could at best expect to leave a message on an answering machine that might not be listened to until many hours later.
E) If Nevill was too worried to disarm her with his bare hands and truly in fear why would he risk being shot by sitting on the phone where he would be a dead duck if she caught him? It would take several minutes for Jeremy to answer and he would be an easy target the entire time. If truly in fear for his safety then he would have armed himself. There were guns, knives and other potential weapons that he would have grabbed if he had been left alone in the kitchen.
F) If too panicked to do anything himself he would have called police not put his son in harms way if he saw a real threat. So Nevill would not have called anyone unless he saw a real threat that he could not handle himself and for a threat that great he would not call Jeremy he would call police.
3) Jeremy lied about the phone being disconnected and being able to immediately use it
4) Sheila didn't beat or kill anyone else or even load the gun
A) Sheila would have had elevated lead levels on her hands had she loaded the bullets in the gun as claimed and in a frenzy loading fast would also have damaged at least the nail of the finger she used to push the bullets in the magazine
B) Sheila would have had back spatter of Nevill's blood on her body had she been the one who delivered the blows to Nevill in the kitchen. She also would have broken several nails by beating him so severely. The rifle stock broke and his head bashed in. One has to hold the rifle tightly to do this and when a rifle hits something hard there is a jolt to the person wielding it. The notion her nails would not have been touched is preposterous. She also would have cut her feet on the crockery on the floor of the kitchen and been likely to get step in blood or sugar.
C) The killer of the other 4 victims would have had high velocity back spatter as well as gunshot residue on the killer's body and clothing. She had neither.
D) There is no evidence at all to suggest she would be at risk for any delusions around 2:30 AM. Had she stopped taking her medication or were high on narcotics or drunk she could be at risk but none of these things were the case. Moreover, because of everyone else was sleeping there would be no risk of them causing agitaiton.
5) Sheila didn't kill herself
A) She was killed with the suppressor attached to the gun and could not have put it away after her death and could only have potentially killed herself with the suppressor if she stepped on the trigger with her toe but was seated when she was shot not standing.
B) Sheila was seated when killed and then moved flat shortly thereafter by someone else who moved her body flat. She can't have moved her own body after she was dead. Once flat blood dripped down the side of her neck and pooled on the floor.
C) The bible was placed in the pool of blood then repeatedly opened and closed while the blood was still wet. She could not have done these things since she was dead.
6) The evidence thus establishes that Sheila didn't do anything but rather was framed. There is substantial evidence that th eperson who framed her was Jeremy and this fake phone call is one of the ways he attempted to frame her. Since she didn't do anything the claim Nevill called to say she did is sheer nonsense. Jeremy lied about many things including telling police Sheila had fired all the guns in the house and had gone shooting with him. He admitted later he hadn't seen her shoot a gun.
What evidence is there that Nevill made this call? None.
The evidence is that someone made a call to Goldhanger, never hung up at WHF and the phone remained off the hook from the point of dialing until after police entered and hung the phone up.
You have never suggested how Nevill would have the opportunity to make the call let alone a reason why. You skip that inquiry including issues related to Jeremy's answering machine and how long it would take to answer. You just insist he somehow would have had the opportunity to call without Sheila stopping him (he according to you decided to make a plea to Jeremy instead of grabbing a gun or other weapon) and that at the very end Sheila walked in the kitchen. She is in a rage and sees him on the phone, what does she do does she shoot him like a crazy person in a rage would do? No. Does she order him to hang up the phone? No. According to you she walks over to the phone and she pushes down the buttons the receiver sits on to end the call. In so doing she has only one hand on the rifle. She has to be right next to Nevill, too close to aim the gun at him well. So instead of shooting him she gives him the perfect opportunity to disarm her. Nevill is so desperate he called Jeremy supposedly but doesn't take advantage instead he does nothing.
He doe snothing but he next either runs away to the bedroom or she marches him to the bedroom so she can blow both parents away in the same room instead of killing them separately. Why would she want to kill them together? This doesn't comport with the crazy rage claims.
In the meantime the notion she killed everyone is not supported by the evidence and the evidence proves she didn't kill herself.
You constantly suggest people use common sense it is time for you to start tkaing your own advice and using common sense for a change.
