Jeremy's journey to WHF:

[Adam]

It soon became clear how Jeremy got to WHF undetected at around 2.00am.

Julie said June's bike had arrived at Jeremy's cottage just before the massacre. In her WS she said Jeremy was planning to cycle to WHF. He was planning to do a trial run & thought it would take 15 minutes.

Jeremy was very vague and un coperative when discussing  the time he brought the bike over,  when interviewed by the police. It was eventually determined it was just before the massacre. Jeremy said he brought it over for Julie. However in the same police interview he said their relationship had been in decline for six months. The judge asked why Jeremy would bring over the bike for Julie if the relationship was coming to a close.

Ann Eaton became more suspicious when she saw the bike outside Jeremy's cottage just after the massacre.  Robert Boutflour worked out there were three possible cycle routes Jeremy could use to get to WHF.

Jeremy was a young farmer. So a three mile cycle journey on land he knew would not be difficult.

Bob Miller said in the 'Crimes that shook Britain' video that no one would have seen Jeremy cycling to WHF at that time in a month of Sundays.

No blood was found on the bike. But why would there be ? Jeremy was not injured on the night. Could have cleaned up at WHF and had a month to clean the bike.

Does everyone agree Jeremy rode to WHF that night ?

[susan]

Adam yes we all agree Jeremy rode the bike on the night of the murders but only on a cycle run not to WHF

[grahameb]

Adam yes we all agree Jeremy rode the bike on the night of the murders but only on a cycle run not to WHF

I don't remember reading that?

[Adam]

The world record for the 5,000 metres is currently around 12 minutes.

A cross country bike ride on decent terrain would take less than ten minutes. To walk would take over half an hour. To jog, over 20 minutes.

If Jeremy's home phone was ringing, it was best to answer it ASAP.

It was also better to ring the police around 3am. When Jeremy could claim to have been asleep. Ringing at 4am or 5am and the police may ask why he was not already awake. Being a farmer who started work early.

If Jeremy had investigated the case, he would know a raid team would enter WHF at daylight. That would not give much time to insinuate Sheila if he met the police on site too late.

Cycling was the right thing to do.

[lookout]

 On a decent bike ! This was a sit-up-and-beg cycle,on which you can't get anywhere in a hurry.
 Did he have the wetsuit in the basket at the front ??

[Jan]

I think you pick and chose what attributes you think Jeremy has as to what suits your scenario that you have in your head at the time- don't forget the diversion to find a rubbish bin that he knows will be emptied the next morning to put his bloodied clothes and shoes in and time to change into fresh clothes - whilst cycling.

[grahameb]

Someone who is truly interterested in whether you really could ride a bike across the country lanes and along the sea wall should come over here and ride the route with me.
I'm sure they would soon appreciated the impracticalities of that route. It is just a silly suggestion and trollish behaviour to still insist upon this idea of Jeremy going anywhere fast on a bike.
But at least we got rid of the wetsuit theory. Another madcap idea. These people who still insist on this silly bike theory have obviously got selective hearing. Why do I say that? Oh because the bike was forensically tested by the cops and.....wait for it...wait for it.......THE COPS REJECTED IT.

So.....how did it manage to end up in court as a suggestion and for the judge to note that the prosecution didn't have to prove that Jeremy did it. They only have to consider that it was POSSIBLE for him to do it.

Well that comment really takes the biscuit doesn't it and I can be excused in doubting that the judge was in his right state of mind that day for saying such a thing?? Why? Oh because that comment could be applied to anything that's why. I mean it is POSSIBLE for me to win the lotto this weekend. But I know I won't? How do I know that? Surely it is "possible" for you to win? Yes it is possible that I will win. But I know I will not win.

But why are you so sure? you may say. Because I don't do the lotto that's why. The same goes for Jeremy. It is possible that he did it. But it cannot be proved whatever scenario you may come up with to prove that he did do it. Why? (1) Because he didn't do it. (2) Because of the bias of all the prime witnesses (all had something to gain from his imprisonment). And (3) Because nobody can place him at the scene of the murders. There is absolutely no forensic evidence to put him there. Even the police sniffer dog did not detect gun residue on him.

You simply cannot keep saying that he washed it all off. Or he went to the murderers section of the Burton shop to purchase old clothes. And you certainly cannot keep using that old chesnut of the bike. Because that was well and truly ruled out of having any part in the crime at all by the police.

By all means make up your theories and scenarios etc. But please don't put them forward as truth just because they sound perfect to you. The plain facts are you have no idea what went on in WHF that dreadful morning.

[Jan]

perhaps you should invite Adam to the area , ask him to bring his bike and a wetsuit and cycle it?

Oh but it would have to be at night in the dark as well.

Let him give us a definitive time .

We could film it with night cameras - that would be great !

[grahameb]

perhaps you should invite Adam to the area , ask him to bring his bike and a wetsuit and cycle it?

Oh but it would have to be at night in the dark as well.

Let him give us a definitive time .

We could film it with night cameras - that would be great !

Don't film it. I'm planning to knock him of his bike into the mud. Oh dear! hasn't he heard about the famous Maldon Mud? 6 feet deep in places. He will get one heck of a shock when he sees the proposed route Jeremy was supposed to have taken. He will also be amazed at the amount of flora and fauna he would pick up as well. No way will he get through that route without (1) Some damage to himself and (2) picking up plenty of stuff to be forensically tested to see where he had been. Enough of these silly sod suggestions of a bike.

[Adam]

It soon became clear how Jeremy got to WHF undetected at around 2.00am.

Julie said June's bike had arrived at Jeremy's cottage just before the massacre. In her WS she said Jeremy was planning to cycle to WHF. He was planning to do a trial run & thought it would take 15 minutes.

Jeremy was very vague and un coperative when discussing  the time he brought the bike over,  when interviewed by the police. It was eventually determined it was just before the massacre. Jeremy said he brought it over for Julie. However in the same police interview he said their relationship had been in decline for six months. The judge asked why Jeremy would bring over the bike for Julie if the relationship was coming to a close.

Ann Eaton became more suspicious when she saw the bike outside Jeremy's cottage just after the massacre.  Robert Boutflour worked out there were three possible cycle routes Jeremy could use to get to WHF.

Jeremy was a young farmer. So a three mile cycle journey on land he knew would not be difficult.

Bob Miller said in the 'Crimes that shook Britain' video that no one would have seen Jeremy cycling to WHF at that time in a month of Sundays.

No blood was found on the bike. But why would there be ? Jeremy was not injured on the night. Could have cleaned up at WHF and had a month to clean the bike.

Does everyone agree Jeremy rode to WHF that night ?

[Adam]

I am afraid Jeremy bringing the bike to his cottage just before the massacre is damning circumstantial evidence.

Six foot mud in August ? Nice try.

[lookout]

 Both the bike and the silencer were distractions,,or add-ons,if you like to keep the momentum of this farce of a case,going. It was a ruddy domestic with a bit of tit for tat thrown in.
I don't mean to be flippant in any way,,but when you've a picture in your mind of what went on,,then you read a pile of nonsense from Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee,it goes beyond unbelieveable.

[lookout]

 Both the bike and the silencer were distractions,,or add-ons,if you like to keep the momentum of this farce of a case,going. It was a ruddy domestic with a bit of tit for tat thrown in.
I don't mean to be flippant in any way,,but when you've a picture in your mind of what went on,,then you read a pile of nonsense from Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee,it goes beyond unbelieveable.

[grahameb]

I am afraid Jeremy bringing the bike to his cottage just before the massacre is damning circumstantial evidence.

Six foot mud in August ? Nice try.

Adam the just had the Maldon Mud race here last week. Maldon is well known for its mud. So much so that I've seen several helecopters go out to rescue people. What I would like to know though is how can you post so confidently about a place you know nothing about?

[Adam]

I know it was August.

I know it was a route to WHF. Along the sea wall being one route.

I know it was farm land. Not some sort of mud bath.

I know Jeremy knew the area.

I know it took PC Wilkinson 6 minutes to complete the route.

I know Bob Millar said no one would see Jeremy take that route at that time of night.

I know Robert Boutflour said he knew there were 3 possible routes.

I know the bike was brought to Jeremy's cottage just before the massacre.

I know Julies WS said Jeremy was planning to ride to WHF.

I know AE suspicions grew when she saw the bike at Jeremy's cottage.

I know the judge questioned Jeremy's reason for bringing the bike over to his cottage.

I know the prosecution successfully claimed Jeremy rode to and from WHF.