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Offline mike tesko

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In view of the presence of (AK1) two lots of animal blood found to be present inside the silencer, it is problematic to the prosecutions argument that the blood from the loose flake belonged exclusively to Sheila Caffell, since without inclusion of AK1 type blood, blood from the flake was not unique to her alone, it could have (AK1) belonged to, or originated from either or noth animals blood known to have been present inside the silencer...
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As far as is known, it is not possible to distinguish AK1 animal blood enzyme, from AK1 human blood enzyme...

If true, jury were deliberately hoodwinked into accepting the blood from the loose flake (inclusive of the contradictory AK1 blood enzyme) as being blood unique and exclusive to Sheila Caffell, when ordinarily it might not have been...
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How utterly bizarre that despite two lots of animals blood being found inside the silencer, that no corresponding AK1 animal blood enzyme was detected as being present on sny of the blood contaminated static baffles...

Lo and behold, the only AK1 enzyme reportedly discovered anywhere at all inside the silencer, is in the loose flake..
« Last Edit: June 12, 2014, 09:32:AM by mike tesko »
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 Having the AK1 enzyme in the blood,is a genetic fault,,so the only way of knowing if it belonged to Sheila would be to test her birth mother,if she hasn't already been tested. If Christines' blood test is negative of AK1,,then it's rat,mouse,rabbit blood,,and not Sheilas'.

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 I would be 100% certain that it wouldn't be from Sheila.

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I would be 100% certain that it wouldn't be from Sheila.

Hi Lookout,

Sounds promising...

Any further information?
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Hi Lookout,

Sounds promising...

Any further information?




No further info Mike,,but it stands to reason that if Christine was tested and there was no sign of the AK1 enzyme ( antibodies ) then chances are that Sheila wouldn't have it either,,so the answer is that it's animals blood and not Sheilas'.

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 We'd only find out if we knew the results of any test performed on Christine. I think her DNA was taken,I'm not sure.

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No further info Mike,,but it stands to reason that if Christine was tested and there was no sign of the AK1 enzyme ( antibodies ) then chances are that Sheila wouldn't have it either,,so the answer is that it's animals blood and not Sheilas'.



Lookout, I had NO idea that Christine was tested. Just made a boob!!!! Have deleted it ;D
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Lookout, I had NO idea that Christine was tested. Just made a boob!!!! Have deleted it ;D




Yes,,April,,I believe that she was,,being Sheilas' birth mother and all that ..The same as Pamela was tested as being a direct relative of Junes'.

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 Another thing worth thinking about was when the moderator was dis-assembled,,the baffle plates weren't replaced in the order in which it was dis-assembled,,so therefore after it was assembled,,after testing,,the arrangement in which blood the baffle plate was on,,wasn't a true feature either.

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The flake was loose inside the silencer, people should try to get thier facts right, there is absolutely no evidence that the crucial flake of blood was scraped off the first two baffles, how the heck could that have been done? Who scraped it off if it was scraped off, I have never heard anything so ludicrous as this until now, and take it from me the flake in question was loose,  not static...

None of the static blood discovered on baffles 1 and 2, had the exact same matching blood group results as those obtained from the flake which gives a clear indication that the flake was not scraped off baffles 1and 2...

I have my facts straight you do not.

The flake of blood was scraped off according to the expert who tested it.  The court noted that the blood DRIED In the suppressor in between the 1st and second baffles.

There was no loose blood floating around you just pretend it was because that is the only way you can pretend the blood could have been transferred while already dry.

You have no basis to make such a claim though.  You do not follow the evidence you try to misrepresent it for your biased purposes.

That is why you have no credibility with the public at large.

You may not care but having no crediblity means you ar enever going to be able to convice the public of anything and certainly not any court.

Your claims about June loading the gun and being the one who beat Nevill is clever because the physical evidence out there can't disprove it for sure.  But on the other hand can't confirm it either so it is an argument worthless at freeing Jeremy (because only something that can be proven would be of value to free him)and at best could serve to sway the opinion of some of the public to get them behind Jeremy.

Based on the reaction here though it will not even do that since staunch Jeremy supporters don't even accept June taking part, especially since she was shot in bed before getting up.  They didn't buy your claim she fell onto the bed after being shot (save look who would believe you are Jesus if you told her it).

You can make any claims you want but when you say things that are wrong like that the tested flake was floating around then you go from someone trying to find ways to establish Jeremy could be innocent to someone distorting to try to pretend Jeremy is innocent.

The distinction might not seem like much but there is a big difference between someone pointing out gaps like the failure to test June for GSR and foreign blood and being opportunistic and trying to use those gaps to their advantage and misrepresenting things like the blood flake floating around and not being static.

Once you are known as a liar you lose all credibility, everything you say is dismissed and you are largely ignored.

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A presence of "A" type static blood found on baffle plates does not mean that it was Sheila's blood, since it could well be a reference to Junes blood. AK 1 nor AK 2-1 blood was detected any where on the static bloodied baffle plates, unlike the results obtained from the loose flake, which produced a AK1 result...

The case turned on the inclusion of AK1 type blood obtained from examination of the loose flake, and an absence of June Bambers AK 2-1 blood type from the same. But it now transpires, that two lots of animal blood was detected inside the silence, which is the only common blood enzyme in human and animal blood...

Seems to me, that the argument relied upon during the trial that a presence of AK1 type blood, and an absence of Junes Ak2-1, falls by the wayside, if the detection of the AK1 blood enzyme has to be discounted as possible animals blood...

The blood the defense expert detected:

"Dr Lincoln recorded that on the 29 April 1986, he examined all seventeen baffles and obtained weak or very weak positive reactions indicating the presence of blood on the first eight baffles.

He agreed with Mr Hayward's conclusion that the combination of blood groups revealed in his testing of the inside of the moderator could have come solely from Sheila Caffell but did not come from any one of the other individuals"

Both men did enzyme tests to make sure they detected human blood.

Unless you have the exact documents written by Dr Lincoln then you have no basis to say that he didn't detect ak-1 and because of your past bogus claims your word would not be enough the actual reports would have to be posted.
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AK1 is a genetic condition and unless Christine carried the same antibodies,,then it wasn't Sheila !

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AK1 is a genetic condition and unless Christine carried the same antibodies,,then it wasn't Sheila !

She could have them from her father - or what? Is it only carried through females?