Jury, given ultimatum, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy - gaff...

[susan]

Maggie of course it could have been a possibility but we will never know will we he could have been sleeping in the chair.

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline,

no, your not thinking logically, since how could blood from one wounded arm get onto the phone that Ralph was holding with his other unbloodied hand?

But that still doesn't explain why he didn't use 999 nor why he didn't mention that they had 'both' gone berserk.

[maggie]

But that still doesn't explain why he didn't use 999 nor why he didn't mention that they had 'both' gone berserk.

Cannot believe if Nevill was injured that he would phone Jeremy and put him in danger like that am sure in those circumstances he would phone 999. If Sheila was being difficult and had locked herself in somewhere with the gun, maybe threatening to shoot herself, in that kind of situation he may very well have rung Jeremy.
As for June and Sheila both shooting, cannot go there, thought June was depressive not psychotic anyway. It doesn't make sense at all.

[lookout]

 Maggie,,June had been diagnosed with" religious psychosis". This is what Doctor Ferguson had said if we're to believe him.

[maggie]

Maggie,,June had been diagnosed with" religious psychosis". This is what Doctor Ferguson had said if we're to believe him.

Really, that is so strange, but wasn't that way back? It does seem very odd that both June and Sheila suffered from psychosis, however paranoid schizophrenia is usually far more complex than a psychosis which may have been sorted out sometime before and probably never returned.

[lookout]

Really, that is so strange, but wasn't that way back? It does seem very odd that both June and Sheila suffered from psychosis, however paranoid schizophrenia is usually far more complex than a psychosis which may have been sorted out sometime before and probably never returned.

It was the last diagnosis which was made,following Junes' second session of ECT,,was it in 1983? When June was first treated in the 70's it was for a severe depressive illness,,but after a string of problems with Sheila and the worry over the twins,,,June had relapsed and had to repeat the treatment. Whether or not she herself was on any sort of medication,I wouldn't know,,because the poor woman suffered from nightmares when she did eventually get to sleep. Other than that,,she too was a poor sleeper,the same as Sheila was.
Night-time was Sheilas' worst time,as being a schizophrenic,,they find sleep difficult,,as neighbours at Maida Vale soon found out when they heard her screaming at all hours of the early morning. What those little boys must have thought if they heard her,,I don't know.

[lookout]

 1982 it was when June was treated. It was also said that religion had become an obsession with her.

 I wonder why Doctor Ferguson ignored Sheila when she told him that she could kill,,and also commit suicide ? He knew that she had a schizoaffective disorder where she struggled with good over evil,,yet he didn't appear to take her as seriously as he should have done.

[maggie]

1982 it was when June was treated. It was also said that religion had become an obsession with her.

 I wonder why Doctor Ferguson ignored Sheila when she told him that she could kill,,and also commit suicide ? He knew that she had a schizoaffective disorder where she struggled with good over evil,,yet he didn't appear to take her as seriously as he should have done.

I agree Dr Ferguson seemed quite dismissive of much of Sheila's. Symptoms but I seem to have missed that last diagnosis of June. Jeremy has said that she had calmed down and become much easier to interact with than she had been.

[lookout]

I agree Dr Ferguson seemed quite dismissive of much of Sheila's. Symptoms but I seem to have missed that last diagnosis of June. Jeremy has said that she had calmed down and become much easier to interact with than she had been.

It's known as the calm before the storm,,Maggie.

[mike tesko]

But that still doesn't explain why he didn't use 999 nor why he didn't mention that they had 'both' gone berserk.

Hi Caroline,

There was really no need for Ralph Bamber to dial 999, this claim was judt a red herring introduced as a tool to help discrefit Jeremys account. Special Branch were quickly aware that there had been shootings inside the farmhouse by the time Ralph called Jeremy, and when Ralph called police. The family were subject of a special branch protection program, why else do you think they are involved in the investigation, and why was one of thier officers the first to enter the farmhouse, and shot Sheila in the kitchen, when Sheila was one of the subjects he was responsible for protecting?

[lookout]

 Bews knew that Jeremy was telling the truth,,as in the TV programme a couple of years ago,,he actually stated that Jeremy,too,saw the figure at the window.
Because of Jeremys' weak legal representatives,,they failed him,,as they should have hammered this subject and not taken Bews's word that it was " a trick of the light ".
Didn't anyone question why,,since that sighting,the need to order a team from the firearms department  to be sent,pronto ? Was it because of Bews seeing the moon cast shadows that he'd sent for the team ? I don't think so,,because they all scattered when they saw the figure,,,including Jeremy.

How can such evidence be dismissed just like that ! With their " criminal " standing right by them !
 

[lookout]

 Lights within the farmhouse were also going on and off too which suggested that someone was still alive. Why wasn't that noticed ? Or was everyone too busy running away from the moons' reflections ?

[lookout]

 Polygrams are 100%. Even for psychopaths in catching them out !

[nugnug]

i wwouldent say anything was 100 percent.

[lookout]

i wwouldent say anything was 100 percent.

Nugs,,what I tried to point out here,are the hundreds of people who say that polygrams don't work on those who are psycopaths. They certainly do,,as the psychopath doesn't like,or want to be caught out and in doing so tries to put more effort into his or her answers,and when that's recorded,the needle knows exactly in which direction it's going,for a negative result,as it detects that effort.
It's a psychopaths very determination to get it right,that fails him. Whereas someone who tells the truth,it comes out naturally without any disturbance to the bodys' way of not having to deal with a lie.
Contrary to belief,,they are pretty sensitive machines which can detect changes in breathing,discomfort,and those things a person feels when they're not telling the truth.