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Offline mike tesko

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It was a gross mistake to tell the jury that the person responsible for the shootings was either Sheila or Jeremy, with no possibility of any third party involvement. None more so, because evidence existed to indicate the additional involvement of June Bamber, and the police...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Police knew by mid September 1985, that the rifle already had ammunition loaded into it prior to Jeremy adding new bullets taken from a full box of 50. Police know that five rounds already in the gun had got double magazine markings on them and that these five rounds could not have been directly loaded into the gun from the aforementioned box of 50, by Jeremy, or anybody else. It also helped police to establish that Jeremy had in fact loaded six new rounds from the box on tuesday evening, all of which produce single marked cases. Police were able to pinpoint where at the scene these five double magazine marked cases were found, which provided them with a clear picture of where the first full load of the guns bullet had been fired...

It was possible to do this because of the sequence with which the five double marked rounds had been loaded into the gun, along with the order that Jeremy had loaded six single marked rounds into the gun...
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 07:45:AM by mike tesko »
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Before the shootings started police were able to calculate that the rifle had been loaded with a total of 11 rounds...
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Before the shootings started police were able to calculate that the rifle had been loaded with a total of 11 rounds...

Five rounds which were dounle marked already in the gun, and six new rounds with single magazine marks on them from the new box of 50 bullets that Jeremy spoke about...
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 07:56:AM by mike tesko »
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It was possible to establish that one of the double marked rounds must have already been sat in the breech of the gun, and that the other four double marked rounds were sat one above the other upon the follower plate. When Jeremy liaded the six new single marked rounds into the gun, these sat perched one above the other on top of the other four double marked rounds inside the ammunition magazine. The way all these individual rounds had been loaded into the gun, dictated the order with which the bullets would be fired from it...

The first round fired during the shootings was the double magazine marked round sat in the breech of the gun, followed in sequence by each of the six single magazine marked rounds loaded into the gun by Jeremy. These would be followed by the discharge from the gun of the other four double magazine marked rounds, until the gun was empty of bullets...

Locating the whereabouts at the scene of the five double magazine marked bullet cases provides a precise account of where the shootings started...
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 08:20:AM by mike tesko »
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Police discovered that two double marked bullet cases were present inside the childrens bedroom, one double marked case in the main bedroom where the parents normally slept, and another two double marked bullet cases recovered downstairs in the kitchen...
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What this tells us is that the children were shot first and foremost, easily worked out by the fact that the children were shot a total of 8 times. Since Jeremy had only loaded six single marked rounds into the gun on the previous evening, it must follow that two of the 8 shots directed at the child victims must have included two double magazine marked rounds, seemingly confirmed by the recovery of two double marked bullet cases from that location...

So, children shot first, leaving three rounds in the gun, all of which were double magazine marked rounds...
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 08:33:AM by mike tesko »
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We then discover that police recovered a solitary double magazine marked bullet case from the main bedroom, and the other two double magazine marked bullet cases  were found by police downstairs in the kitchen...

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Now, what I am proposing is that the distribution of the five double magazine marked bullet cases at different locations inside the farmhouse, provides the perfect framework with which to help establish what took place at the start, and to see if any of it fits in with Jeremys account regarding the phone call he says he received from his dad...
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Whoever the shooter was, that person discharged the first 8 rounds inside the childrens bedroom, then went into the main bedroom and discharged one shot, before going downstairs and discharging the last two shots from the first load of the gun...
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 08:45:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Jury, given ultimatum, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy - gaff...
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2014, 08:46:AM »
 I think it was very wrong to have reached such a conclusion to say that it was either one of them.
 What was fair about that when one couldn't speak ?

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Re: Jury, given ultimatum, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy - gaff...
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2014, 08:54:AM »
Based upon this new analysis, I believe it safe to say that Ralph Bamber must have recieved a solitary shot upstairs in the main bedroom, somehow made his way downstairs to the kitchen, leaving his blood from a wounded arm on wall paper on the stairs, leaving his blood on the door frame of the kitchen door, and leaving a bloodied hand orint on the edge of the kitchen worktop - he must have been only shot once upstairs in the bedroom because of the blood trail evidence leading from upstairs to the kitchen downstairs, as described, and because of the location of the double magazine marked bullet cases distributed in different parts of the farmhouse...

Knowing this is what must have occurred, sheds a completely different light on the case...

Suddenly, Jeremys account appears to be more believable...
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 08:58:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Jury, given ultimatum, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy - gaff...
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2014, 09:00:AM »
A wounded arm would not have prevented Ralph Bamber from speaking on the phone briefly to Jeremy, or to give a more detailed account to police on the phone, later...
« Last Edit: June 03, 2014, 09:00:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Jury, given ultimatum, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy - gaff...
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2014, 09:02:AM »
A wounded arm would not have prevented Ralph Bamber from speaking on the phone briefly to Jeremy, or to give a more detailed account to police on the phone, later...


It wouldn't have taken much effort for him to have added "I'm hit" to what he said.

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Re: Jury, given ultimatum, it was either Sheila, or Jeremy - gaff...
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2014, 09:25:AM »

It wouldn't have taken much effort for him to have added "I'm hit" to what he said.





April,,maybe he wouldn't have wanted to have said much more in case it put Jeremy off from going,,,thinking he'd be next.