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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2014, 10:51:PM »
A photograph of Sheila holding a gun DOES exist and I have seen it. However,it turned out that they were modelling photographs. Sheila did attend one of the shooting parties in Scotland,DB testified to this in court (after beating around the bush) but said that he didn't see her shoot. PE admitted in a statement that he had seen Sheila use a gun but this did not make the final statement. And it is worth remembering AE's comment "I can picture Sheila running amok with a shotgun,but not with a rifle"
Thanks for the oost tyler, that pretty well makes everything clear. :)

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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2014, 10:58:PM »
A photograph of Sheila holding a gun DOES exist and I have seen it. However,it turned out that they were modelling photographs. Sheila did attend one of the shooting parties in Scotland,DB testified to this in court (after beating around the bush) but said that he didn't see her shoot. PE admitted in a statement that he had seen Sheila use a gun but this did not make the final statement. And it is worth remembering AE's comment "I can picture Sheila running amok with a shotgun,but not with a rifle"





Thanks for that tyler.
DB said he actually saw a " woman " shooting,,but couldn't be sure if it was Sheila or another lady.
Another memory lapse,perhaps ? Gee whizz,,this was supposed to have been a court of law ! Mickey Mouse could have done better.

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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2014, 11:40:PM »
i dont rember weather she fired or not.

now if you look at that statement doesn't that prove she could use a gun.

if she couldn't he would no she defentaly dident shoot.

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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2014, 11:53:PM »
Hi Nugs :)

Its not really relevant whether anyone saw Sheila with a gun.  Sheila had lived around guns most of her life and it would not be beyond reason that she could have used any gun/rifle that was on the farm. Its a bit like a farmer living on a milking farm and not knowing how to milk his cows.  Well.not quite the same Ha!

Loading and shooting a gun/rifle does not require an A'level nor is it restricted to only a male can use them.  We all heard what the rifle expert said in relation to rifle 18....the recoil is so small a child could use this rifle.

For anyone to think that its not within the realms of possibility for a woman to load and fire a rifle is a little bit out of touch. It is possible and not impossible that is what I am trying to say.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2014, 11:57:PM »
but the fact the relatives vouldent weather she did or she dident shoot on those trips proves i believe that there later statements are complete lies.


they knew very well she was capable of loading and shooting a gun or they would of said no she defeanatly dident shoot on the trip.
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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2014, 12:05:AM »
but the fact the relatives vouldent weather she did or she dident shoot on those trips proves i believe that there later statements are complete lies.


they knew very well she was capable of loading and shooting a gun or they would of said no she defeanatly dident shoot on the trip.

If the whole family went to Scotland every year on a shoot then surely the place where they stayed would have the proof is Sheila was one of the party.  I wonder why this was never investigated?  I'm sure Colin says he and Sheila were beaters on the trip to Scotland in his book.  :-\ ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2014, 12:07:AM »
and he would of no reason to make it up.

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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2014, 12:17:AM »
and he would of no reason to make it up.

I wouldn't have thought so Nugs.  Alias is reading the book at the moment so maybe she can confirm whether or not Colin does say this.

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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2014, 01:46:AM »




I don't make ANYTHING up.  Unlike yourself who's full of hot air and loves the sound of your own voice because it's echoed on the forum where you came from how good you are. Why do you follow yourself around ??

Don't forget to give yourself a pat on the back while you're at it !


Who do you think you are kidding?  You haven't posted anything accurate or sensible since I have been here.  You have posted one bogus claim after the enxt.

I posted the accurate account of the testimony with respect to the supposed shooting party.

The family said they did not see her ever take any intereste din guns or fire any guns.  Jeremy stated in his first written statement that he never saw her handle or fire a gun.

At trial Rivlin tried to get Boutflour to say he took her shooting on a trip to Scotland and he repeatedly said no and after being badgered the most he would say was that maybe she did go once but he didn't remember her going, she didn't carry a gun and her certainly didn't remember her firing any gun ever if she did go to Scotland with them.   

That was his testimony,  This is the 3rd time in this thread I posted such go read his testimony.
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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2014, 01:56:AM »
Hi Nugs :)

Its not really relevant whether anyone saw Sheila with a gun.  Sheila had lived around guns most of her life and it would not be beyond reason that she could have used any gun/rifle that was on the farm. Its a bit like a farmer living on a milking farm and not knowing how to milk his cows.  Well.not quite the same Ha!

Loading and shooting a gun/rifle does not require an A'level nor is it restricted to only a male can use them.  We all heard what the rifle expert said in relation to rifle 18....the recoil is so small a child could use this rifle.

For anyone to think that its not within the realms of possibility for a woman to load and fire a rifle is a little bit out of touch. It is possible and not impossible that is what I am trying to say.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Once again the same oh she lived on a farm she had to be around guns.  Being in a house with guns doesn't mean you know how to use any let alone all of them.

Lynette Fromme grew up around guns and she didn't even know she needed to chamber a round:

"As Ford drew near, Fromme pulled a .45-caliber semiautomatic pistol, aimed it at the president and pulled the trigger.

Witnesses nearby heard the "click" of the hammer dropping. Secret Service agents later found that the pistol had four rounds in its magazine, but the chamber was empty.

Agents swarmed Fromme and wrestled the weapon from her hand as she shouted, "Don't get excited! It didn't go off! It didn't go off!"


http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Would-be-assassin-Squeaky-Fromme-is-paroled-3221893.php

There is no evidence she used any guns at all but certianly not the murder weapon or a gun like it.  Not knowing she needed to chamber a roudn let alone how would result in the same fate as Fromme, having it taken away without doing any harm.

You grossly underestimate how much knowledge is required to operate a weapon. Many wepaons have safeties as well.

The fact she payed no interest to weapons menas she would be unlikely to go for one if she wanted to arm herself instead being likely to go for something she used in the past like a pot or pan which is the weapon of choice for women- moreso than knives.  Women in a kitchen tend to grab pots and pans more than they do knives. 

She certainly would not be likely to load 11 rounds which is what was fired in the initial hail in themaster  bedroom.  That is a clue it was Jeremy.  Another clue is the staging of the bullets in the kitchen.  She would not have used 20 bullets from the bullets in the kitchen then ran to the closet to get 5 more when there were still 30 in the pile she was using.

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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2014, 04:15:AM »
I repeat: It is not rocket science to load and fire a friggin gun! If you want to do it, it is EASY! For anybody!

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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2014, 07:18:AM »
I don't know how to load a rifle. 

It is doubtful Sheila went on shooting parties with her relatives 10 or 15 years earlier. If she did she may have fired one or two bullets from an already loaded rifle. Which had 11 bullets. But there was no reason to show her how to load. 

Sheila was too un cordinated to load. As testified by Ann Eaton. She was also apparently having a major psychotic episode. So even more uncordinated.
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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2014, 07:22:AM »
It is unlikely Sheila would recognize all actions taken.

Jeremy claims she watched him load a magazine not load the gun.  He claimed he took the magazine to another room to load it into the gun.   That means even if his bogus story of going to shoot a rabbit with this rifle for the first time ever were true she would not have seen him stick it in the weapon let alone to charge the weapon (chamber a round).
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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2014, 07:27:AM »
Is there any evidence that Sheila -

Went on shooting parties ?

Repeatedly fired the same weapon type used in the massacre ?

Repeatedly loaded the rifle type used in the massacre ?

Proof that the relatives are lying when they said they do not recall Sheila ever being present. The board has shown the relatives did not try to frame Jeremy.
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Re: the shooting party in scotland.
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2014, 08:01:AM »
I repeat: It is not rocket science to load and fire a friggin gun! If you want to do it, it is EASY! For anybody!

Did you not read Scipio's post, above yours ?
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