What if?

[Jan]

yes EXPERTS - if they were all right we would never have any murders by those "released" from care because they are no longer a danger.

I find that you learn more by talking to the families affected on a day to day basis by these illnesses.

they are the experts.

And as I know many people on here have been personally affected , I must say the politeness and patience of your replies is to be admired.

[Jane]

Jansus, THANK-YOU so much. What a lovely compliment

[mike tesko]

Go with it, everybody...

[scipio_usmc]

Hi Adam,

So, the contents of Sheila's stomach were full, so where does that leave Scipio's scenario?

The stomach contents establish she ate 2-6 hours before she died. In fact some people it takes 7 hours to clear their stomach so maybe as late as 7 hours before she died.

What use is this information?  If we knew for sure when her last meal was we could say she died 2-6 hours and as late as 7 hours after that.  So we would have a 4-5 hour window of when she died.   Since we don't know when her last meal was what good is this information?

[tyler]

She didn't leave before her treatment was complete.  Shortly after she arrived she tried to check herself out but a mental health order was taken out to prevent her relase and she completed her treatment.

Could you provide proof of these assertions please. A mental health order taken out? Do you mean that she was sectioned? If so,that is a complete lie! Sheila was NEVER sectioned! Sheila DID discharge herself from hospital as she was due to meet her bio mother and was anxious for their first meeting to not take place at the hospital. Her doctor was unhappy that Sheila discharged herself as he didn't feel that she was yet well eough to leave. He advised for a nurse to visit Sheila daily,but unfortuately this happened.

[mike tesko]

Sheila almost certainly did not die until shortly after 9am, when she received the second shot to the neck - this places the time of Sheila's last meal around 2 to 3 am. She had not slept in her bed that last night. Her bloodstained panties were left soaking in a plastic bucket half filled with cold water. An empy tampon container was left discarded in the downstairs living room...

[mike tesko]

I am also inclined to think that June did not go to bed that night, if you look at the bed arrangement in the main bedroom, it does not suggest that two people had been sleeping in the bed. It is likely that June and Sheila both did not sleep at all, and that Ralph was the sole occupier of the bed...

[mike tesko]

I am also inclined to think that June did not go to bed that night, if you look at the bed arrangement in the main bedroom, it does not suggest that two people had been sleeping in the bed. It is likely that June and Sheila both did not sleep at all, and that Ralph was the sole occupier of the bed...

Once you open your mind to these possibilities, the bigger picture begins to emerge providing a better insight into what transpired...

[scipio_usmc]

Could you provide proof of these assertions please. A mental health order taken out? Do you mean that she was sectioned? If so,that is a complete lie! Sheila was NEVER sectioned! Sheila DID discharge herself from hospital as she was due to meet her bio mother and was anxious for their first meeting to not take place at the hospital. Her doctor was unhappy that Sheila discharged herself as he didn't feel that she was yet well eough to leave. He advised for a nurse to visit Sheila daily,but unfortuately this happened.

Read Colin's statements to police.  In one of them he is the one who asserted doctors told him she tried to discharge herself shortly after arriving and they had to take out a mental health order to prevent her from leaving. She thus completed her treatment.

If she was not well enough to leave after 5 weeks then he could have taken action to try to institutionalize her but did not do so.

[Jane]

Read Colin's statements to police.  In one of them he is the one who asserted doctors told him she tried to discharge herself shortly after arriving and they had to take out a mental health order to prevent her from leaving. She thus completed her treatment.

If she was not well enough to leave after 5 weeks then he could have taken action to try to institutionalize her but did not do so.

Such an action would have been EXTREMELY unlikely. For starters HE wasn't footing the bill. Secondly, as he leaned more towards the esoteric he disagreed with the Bambers chosen method of treatment for their daughter, preferring alternative therapies.

[lookout]

 Sheilas' parents were paying for their daughters treatment,,so they had the upper hand as it were and also the choice whether the girl be committed or not. No doubt if it had been put to them,they'd have been horrified.
The poor sods on the NHS have no choice. It's another example of them and us.