How could Sheila’s body have been found downstairs and also upstairs.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1033.msg149409#msg149409
I feel that I must comment on this rambling and, at times, dull witted post by one Holly Goodhead over at the red lagoon. This person says that I have asserted that Sheila’s body was found by the police in the kitchen and also upstairs on the bed.
Straight off, that is not true. I have merely drawn attention to the evidence that Sheila’s body was at one stage downstairs and at another stage upstairs.
It’s a vulgar mistake to confuse drawing attention to the evidence with the expression of an opinion. But even, as opinions go, there is no contradiction. She apparently thinks I have contradicted myself.
The logs
A series of log entries report that two bodies were found in the kitchen and that three more bodies were found upstairs, not four.This information is also backed up by Neil Davidson’s statement in which he relates that “one murder and one suicide” were reported as having been found downstairs.
Ann Eaton’s note
Ann Eaton’s note records that a policeman told her that Sheila’s body was found upstairs on the bed next to June with a bible on her chest.
The photographs of Sheila show her lying on the floor, but there is nothing to prove that at different stages she could not have been in those two other locations, before the body was stage managed by the police on the floor of the master bedroom.
The main point is simply that that is what the prima facie evidence points to, regardless of whether you consider it to be reliable or not.
Mike Tesko’s old theory
One merit of Mike’s old theory is that it tallies perfectly with the written evidence.
Mike used to think that Sheila attempted to commit suicide, shooting herself downstairs, not long before the police broke into the house.
Then some time later, she regained consciousness and made her way upstairs and (presumably) lay down on the bed.
I don’t know if Mike has ever suggested this, but one possibility is that Sheila took the bible from the drawer, before lying down on the bed. If that did happen, it would both explain the information in the logs and in Ann Eaton’s note. Even if that is not precisely what happened, it is a reasonable theory in relation to very definite and consistent log entries.
I consider this theory, which I base on Mike’s old theory, to be, at any rate, far superior, from a logical point of view, to the ridiculous idea that all the written evidence which points to Sheila being alive when Bamber was with the police just arose from a succession of mistakes-and mistakes which just happen to produce a consistent narrative as well!
I'm not sure this is keeping up with the rules of the so called truce, but that's none of my business.
Anyway here is a more realistic scenario for the 1 dead male 1 dead female record:
There are two logs which have been produced and are available on this forum. In addition to that there are various other notes and statements.The chain of communication is as follows:
1. Somebody informed CA07 of 1 dead male and one dead female. I do not know who informed them but I am suggesting that it was Adams who got it from the firearms team.
2. CA07 contacted the information room and informed them about "1 dead male, 1 dead female". The information room (Igor Norman) noted on the information rooms log "1 dead male, 1 dead female", he noted this on the front page of the log and in the table together with the corresponding time.
3. The information room contacted PC West and informed him of "1 dead male, 1 dead female", PC West noted this in his log.
4. Somebody contacted CA07 and told them that all 5 people were found dead. Again I don't know who contacted them but I am suggesting it was Adams.
5. CA07 contacted the information room and informed them that five bodies had been found, the information room noted on their log "all 5 persons found - DEAD".
6. The information room contacted PC West to inform him that five bodies had been found dead.
7. PC West noted on his log "now confirmed a further 3 bodies found - five dead in total".
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The logs can be found in this thread which corroborates what I have written above:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,732.msg19630.html#msg19630... ............................................................
Now my first observation that the "1 dead male, 1 dead female" came from a single source. If I am right about Adams informing CA07 then it came from the firearms unit, to Adams, to CA07, to the information room and then to PC West.
My second observation is that the "3 further bodies" is only recorded once by PC West and nobody else. The information regarding the rest of the bodies came from the firearms team, to Adams (if I am correct as previously mentioned), to CA07, to the information room and then to PC West.
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WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED? :
In my opinion Collins saw Ralph through the kitchen window and mistook him for a female, he radioed in to Adams. The firearms unit entered the house and found Ralph's body, the firearms unit radioed it in to Adams.
Adams then, thinking that 1 dead male and one dead female had been found, radioed in to CA07 (1 dead male was first because that was fresher in his mind, being the last communication), CA07 radioed it in to the information room who in turn radioed it in to PC West. Now at this stage in actual fact only one body had been found.
The firearms team then eventually went upstairs and discovered the other four bodies, they radioed this in to Adams, Adams informed CA07 and CA07 informed the information room. The information room noted that five bodies were found.
The information room radioed PC West and told him about the five bodies, PC West mistakenly noted that a further three bodies were found rather than there were five as he thought that two had previously been found when they had not.
