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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2011, 08:13:PM »
Mike your post says 'Myall, Bews, and Bamber were in the grounds at whf by 3:45am - its a nailed on certainty...'

and includes the comment 'its a nailed on certainty.....'

This, to me, is you saying they were there by 3.45am
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Well, if there exists a MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT document which states that at 3:45am, PC Myall saw an unidentified Male at whf, where else do you suppose that PC Myall and the others were, at that time? Please don't try and suggest that they were en route to the scene in CA7, because if that was the case, PC Myall could not have seen the unidentified male, he claims that he saw at whf, at 3:45am?

It is not me saying PC Myall was there, it is PC Myall...

If Myall was there at or before 3:45am, then the others were there also...

Do you see the problem?

At the time of the sighting of this unidentified male at whf, JB was in the grounds with PC Myall and PS Bews, so why is PC Myall saying he saw an unidentified male, whereas, PS Bews talks about a trick of light (first version) and the moon reflecting on the glass of the bedroom window (second version)?

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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2011, 08:19:PM »
Mike

You write 'Well, if there exists a MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT document which states that at 3:45am,...'

Does the document exist, if so where is it?

If you have a copy............ share.

If not, this whole thread is a waste of time and in my opinion, for what it is worth, you are in real danger of discrediting everything you have done

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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2011, 08:19:PM »


Yes, I have just dealt with it - PC Myall claims he saw an unidentified male at the scene at 3:45am...

What more is there to say?

Nothing, because it's bullshit ....
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You describe your views very well...

Ha!

So you don't have the document which proves your bullshit claim then.
You don't know what you are trying to talk about, and you will not pressurize me to post anything that I don't want to, by adopting the approach you have. I know the document exists, and I know and PC Myall and EP know that PC Myall claims to have seen an unidentified male at the scene (whf) at 3:45am...

If JB was the killer, who was that unidentified male inside whf, at 3:45am?

If it was RB, then how could JB have already shot him no less than 8 times, in the kitchen?

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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2011, 08:23:PM »
My problem is that Nevill ringing at 3.26am, whoever answers that call needs to take the details, radio the location to the car in Witham. That car drives from Witham, arrives, parks up down Pages Lane and then PC Myall gets out and spots an unidentified male person. This all happens in 19 minutes. Any car is going to struggle to do that journey in 19 minutes. I will go and try and do it now if you want?

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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2011, 08:24:PM »
Mike

You write 'Well, if there exists a MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT document which states that at 3:45am,...'

Does the document exist, if so where is it?

If you have a copy............ share.

If not, this whole thread is a waste of time and in my opinion, for what it is worth, you are in real danger of discrediting everything you have done
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Well, it does exist, and PC Myall claims to have seen an unidentified male at whf at 3:45am - now if he is telling the truth, then he could not have still been travelling to the scene in CA7, along with PS Bews and PS Saxby, if Myall was there at the scene by 3:45am, then so was Bews and Saxby...

The very first entry in the MIP relates to this sighting by PC Myall at whf at 3:45am, and EP were trying desperately to identify who that / this person was / is?

I will not be pressurized by anybody, either to post or not to post anything in my possession - I will decide if and when I will / can / or may post anything...
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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2011, 08:26:PM »
My problem is that Nevill ringing at 3.26am, whoever answers that call needs to take the details, radio the location to the car in Witham. That car drives from Witham, arrives, parks up down Pages Lane and then PC Myall gets out and spots an unidentified male person. This all happens in 19 minutes. Any car is going to struggle to do that journey in 19 minutes. I will go and try and do it now if you want?
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Ok, go and do it, but make the start time of RB's call at 3:16am, instead of 3:26am?

That 19 minutes, suddenly turns into 29 minutes...

I think it could be done / was done...
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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2011, 08:27:PM »
It's just rubbish - it's all made up in order to confuse everyone and to move the goal posts yet again.

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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2011, 08:33:PM »
By a reliance upon the first entry in the MIP, PC Myall sees the unidentified male at whf at 3:45am - which serves to seriously undermine the timings which are recorded in Bonnets (3:26am) phone log, which shows the arrival time of CA7 as being 3:48am...

In so far as the other phone log, (3;36am) is concerned, the one made by PC West, the timings are undermined by his claim that the clock in the control room was ten minutes fast...

Seems to me, that whatever clock either Bonnet or West was relying upon, that it was out of synchronization by ten minutes...

I am saying that the timings referred to by Bonnet in his 3:26am phone log, about the time of arrival at the scene by CA7 (3:48am) cannot be true or accurate, if PC Myall was seeing the unidentified male at whf by 3:45am? Furthermore, because JB arrived at the scene three / four minutes after CA7 arrived there, JB was at the scene by as late as 3:42am, in good time to enable him to be in the grounds along with Myall and Bews, to enable Myall to see the unidentified male at the bedroom window...
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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2011, 08:38:PM »
It's just rubbish - it's all made up in order to confuse everyone and to move the goal posts yet again.
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You will never know how wrong you are because you don't want to bring yourself to believe that JB was framed for these murders by his relatives and EP with the help of the DPP / CPS...

I am not moving any goal posts, I am pointing out the things which are wrong with the so called evidence in this case, which does not stand up to any sort of scrutiny...

The only person moving the goal posts, is you...

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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2011, 08:43:PM »
It's just rubbish - it's all made up in order to confuse everyone and to move the goal posts yet again.
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You will never know how wrong you are because you don't want to bring yourself to believe that JB was framed for these murders by his relatives and EP with the help of the DPP / CPS...

I am not moving any goal posts, I am pointing out the things which are wrong with the so called evidence in this case, which does not stand up to any sort of scrutiny...

The only person moving the goal posts, is you...

You are moving them. You've spent ages saying that Jeremy called the police at 3.36, and that Neville called them at 2.36. Now you've changed all that because you now claim that Myall was there at 3.45. You haven't mentioned that until recently, and I think you're playing a strange game here because you have a habit of suddenly introducing something nobody ever heard before - and you refuse to back any of it up.

I just don't think I have any alternative but to ignore your posts from now on. I think you're probably a nice guy but your constant adding up of 2+2 to make 5 is getting on my nerves, and so is your habit of suddenly introducing something new which makes a mockery of everything you've previously said.
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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2011, 08:49:PM »
The big question I ask, on JB's behalf is this - who was the unidentified male that PC Myall saw at whf, at 3:45am? If that male person was Ralph Bamber, how could JB have already shot him no less than 8 times and killed him in the kitchen (how did RB get downstairs after the sighting)?

If the male person who was seen by PC Myall was not RB, why did EP set out to make JB the person who had gone into whf to kill everyone, and stage manage the scene to make it look like Sheila killed the others, and that she then took her own life? If PC Myall saw an unidentified male person at the scene, at 3:45am, then the circumstances of that sighting have a direct bearing on how JB was framed for the murders as though he himself had carried them out?

I demand answers to these questions from EP, from the DPP / CPS..

« Last Edit: March 17, 2011, 08:51:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2011, 08:56:PM »
It's just rubbish - it's all made up in order to confuse everyone and to move the goal posts yet again.
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You will never know how wrong you are because you don't want to bring yourself to believe that JB was framed for these murders by his relatives and EP with the help of the DPP / CPS...

I am not moving any goal posts, I am pointing out the things which are wrong with the so called evidence in this case, which does not stand up to any sort of scrutiny...

The only person moving the goal posts, is you...

You are moving them. You've spent ages saying that Jeremy called the police at 3.36, and that Neville called them at 2.36. Now you've changed all that because you now claim that Myall was there at 3.45. You haven't mentioned that until recently, and I think you're playing a strange game here because you have a habit of suddenly introducing something nobody ever heard before - and you refuse to back any of it up.

I just don't think I have any alternative but to ignore your posts from now on. I think you're probably a nice guy but your constant adding up of 2+2 to make 5 is getting on my nerves, and so is your habit of suddenly introducing something new which makes a mockery of everything you've previously said.
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Here then, endeth the lesson...

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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2011, 08:59:PM »
Did the car come from Witham or was it just called out from Witham?
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I don't profess to know the answer to that question, sorry...
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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2011, 09:04:PM »
The big question I ask, on JB's behalf is this - who was the unidentified male that PC Myall saw at whf, at 3:45am? If that male person was Ralph Bamber, how could JB have already shot him no less than 8 times and killed him in the kitchen (how did RB get downstairs after the sighting)?

If the male person who was seen by PC Myall was not RB, why did EP set out to make JB the person who had gone into whf to kill everyone, and stage manage the scene to make it look like Sheila killed the others, and that she then took her own life? If PC Myall saw an unidentified male person at the scene, at 3:45am, then th circumstances of that sighting have a direct bearing on how JB was framed for the murders as though he himself had carried them out?

I demand answers to these questions from EP, from the DPP / CPS..

But EP initially set out a suicide/murderers - as documented to the world wide press.
Suicide questioned later by silencer, SC's forensic results etc.

If the contention is that EP arrived at WHF and from the off they (and all subsequently associated professionals + family etc) decided it was get JB year... then supporting evidence must be posted.

To Mike Tesko - you state we are pressuring you. The only person pressuring you is you, due to asserting new certainities that contradict your old certainties.
If you are forbidden from posting certain documents say so, but confirm who has them and when they received them.
It just seems strange if you are allowed to quote material yet not post it - can you see that?
It would also be unfair as it is only natural that you'd want to share any exciting/new developments, but being unable to post make you a sitting target.
 

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Re: Unidentified Male, seen at Whf, PC Myall, at 3.45am...
« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2011, 09:22:PM »
The big question I ask, on JB's behalf is this - who was the unidentified male that PC Myall saw at whf, at 3:45am? If that male person was Ralph Bamber, how could JB have already shot him no less than 8 times and killed him in the kitchen (how did RB get downstairs after the sighting)?

If the male person who was seen by PC Myall was not RB, why did EP set out to make JB the person who had gone into whf to kill everyone, and stage manage the scene to make it look like Sheila killed the others, and that she then took her own life? If PC Myall saw an unidentified male person at the scene, at 3:45am, then th circumstances of that sighting have a direct bearing on how JB was framed for the murders as though he himself had carried them out?

I demand answers to these questions from EP, from the DPP / CPS..

But EP initially set out a suicide/murderers - as documented to the world wide press.
Suicide questioned later by silencer, SC's forensic results etc.

If the contention is that EP arrived at WHF and from the off they (and all subsequently associated professionals + family etc) decided it was get JB year... then supporting evidence must be posted.

To Mike Tesko - you state we are pressuring you. The only person pressuring you is you, due to asserting new certainities that contradict your old certainties.
If you are forbidden from posting certain documents say so, but confirm who has them and when they received them.
It just seems strange if you are allowed to quote material yet not post it - can you see that?
It would also be unfair as it is only natural that you'd want to share any exciting/new developments, but being unable to post make you a sitting target.

I don't see what would be wrong in Mike saying:

I believe I have evidence to the contrary that when I am granted permission to expose will change your assertions, but until I can do so, based on the available evidence, you're right".

It seems so difficult for him to say.

I do accept Mike has access to much material most of us don't (or have not had years to collect), but still, that does not grant license to expect everybody to believe every word and take it all at face value.

Given the assertions being made when there IS evidence, and still there's too much ambiguity it give me not faith at all that stuff we can't see is being interpreted any better.

I'm currently of the opinion that Mike's not really faced a concerted opposition, or evaluation of his assertions, and now that's happening, much is found wanting.

Mike's unwavering view of JB's innocence (tainted by his own unfortunate experiences with the Police) are causing him to interpret evidence only in ways that might help reach his conclusion, rather than form a conclusion based on the evidence.

It's a crying shame really, because as cynical as I am, I can still see a slim hope for JB. It's small mercy Mike's not representing him. They'd both end up in a cell and quite possibly, one of them would be padded.