Accomplice, who was he?

[andrea]

What evidence is there that NB had argued with someone and fired his gun? This is the first I have heard of it.

[Caroline]

Anyone planning to kill the family with the intent of getting away with having to pay back huge debts, or simply with the intent on getting their hands on the parents estate(s) would not shoot Sheila, they would require her to live and to be held accountable for what took place, she herself would not in these circumstances have been able to benefit from the parents wills if held accountable or responsible for their deaths, she would arguably have been able to get away with murder on the basis of her mental health condition, but sectioned off and ultimately taken out of the equation as a beneficiary. Sheila left alive would have worked, but Sheila shot and killed changed the whole emphasis of the case. The accomplice did not intend to shoot Sheila, and did not shoot her, she was left at the scene alive to become the patsy...

Why would they want her alive? She would be able to say - "it was him/her" She might have been ill but I don't think it would take long before people believed her or became suspicious.

[Jan]

Anyone planning to kill the family with the intent of getting away with having to pay back huge debts, or simply with the intent on getting their hands on the parents estate(s) would not shoot Sheila, they would require her to live and to be held accountable for what took place, she herself would not in these circumstances have been able to benefit from the parents wills if held accountable or responsible for their deaths, she would arguably have been able to get away with murder on the basis of her mental health condition, but sectioned off and ultimately taken out of the equation as a beneficiary. Sheila left alive would have worked, but Sheila shot and killed changed the whole emphasis of the case. The accomplice did not intend to shoot Sheila, and did not shoot her, she was left at the scene alive to become the patsy...

Sorry - still dont quite get that - so she was left in house but did not call for help - because she had been part of what happened? If she was not in the middle of a mental breakdown I can not see any way she would have shot her children.

[Jane]

Hi April,

Yes I will give a proper explanation during the course of today...

Sheila dying was not part of the joint venture entered into by the accomplice and Sheila, if Jeremy had been the accomplice and Sheila died, it would have scuppered everything, which in the grand scheme of things turned out to be true, but I do not think that Jeremy was Sheila's accomplice, I believe the accomplice is another person, someone who upset Ralph Bamber in the days leading up to the shootings, including an altercation in the vicinity of the barn at whf on the evening before the tragedy, which resulted in Ralph discharging his shotgun around the time, the local resident Smith reported hearing a shotgun blast come from the direction of the farmhouse between 9.30 and 10.15pm, 6th August 1985...

I believe I know the identity of the accomplice, who quickly disappeared from the scene at the time of the shootings, but he did not shoot Sheila, the police did...

Mike, that might work if the "accomplice" had organized a workable plan with someone who was capable of logical and cohesive thought processes. From what we know of Sheila during those last few days -maybe even for several days PRIOR to her visit- her thought processes were anything BUT. It's highly probable that ordinary conversation was failing to get through to her. In any case, an altercation with Nevill the evening before the shootings hardly gave him(?) long enough to persuade anyone else to enter into a murderous pact with him. Under the circumstances you suggest I'm more inclined to see Sheila as a helpless bystander than a willing accomplice.

[nugnug]

you couldn't someone like shila as an accomplice she wouldn't of been reliable.

[Steve_uk]

What evidence is there that NB had argued with someone and fired his gun? This is the first I have heard of it.

We don't know for sure who if anyone did fire a shot at that time,but a neighbour walking his dog did hear a report from a firearm late that night. Nevill was also in the habit of taking an evening walk with the dog I believe.

[Jane]

We don't know for sure who if anyone did fire a shot at that time,but a neighbour walking his dog did hear a report from a firearm late that night. Nevill was also in the habit of talking an evening walk with the dog I believe.

Steve, I believe the distance quoted was, in words to the effect of "one mile away in the vicinity of WHF"

[mike tesko]

Bearing in mind Sheila Caffells vunerable  mental state, it is hardly suprising to learn that her accomplice in these shootings was disguised as the devil. It would not have mattered a jot to her if in reality her accomplice had been Mathew McDonald, Freddie Emani, Ralph Neville, or anybody else for that matter, since whoever it was had in the disturbed mind of Sheila become transfigured into the devil himself...

Whether real or imaginary, Sheila's role in these shootings were carried out involving the devils influence...

[mike tesko]

Bearing in mind Sheila Caffells vunerable  mental state, it is hardly suprising to learn that her accomplice in these shootings was disguised as the devil. It would not have mattered a jot to her if in reality her accomplice had been Mathew McDonald, Freddie Emani, Ralph Neville, or anybody else for that matter, since whoever it was had in the disturbed mind of Sheila become transfigured into the devil himself...

Whether real or imaginary, Sheila's role in these shootings were carried out involving the devils influence...

6th August 1985 - Celebration of the transfiguration of Christ...

[mike tesko]

Her boyfried Fred once told how Sheila had at one time believed he was the devil incarnet. This was apparently something which Sheila had got herself into the habit of doing when she started to feel the negative traits of her mental illness. For example, on other occasions she projected similar thoughts and ideas upon her own two children. When her mind was turn on in that way, fred, the children and anybody else she chose, took on the mantle of the devil...

Such was the state of play, on 6th /7th August 1985...

As one celebration of the transfiguration of Christ ended at midnight (6/7th August), another involving the devil swiftly came into play...

[mike tesko]

Had Sheila survived it is not certain whether or not she would have remembered who her real life accomplice had been, since everyone she came into contact with whilst she was in that vunerable mental state had the potential to become transformed into a devil, or to become the devil themselves...

[mike tesko]

Another thing which is worthy of a mention, is the fact that whilst jeremy had called police, and the operator was checking the line, it mysteriously became engaged and then reverted to becoming a phone off the hook, again...


In order for this to have happened, someone inside the farmhouse had to still be alive, at a time when Jeremy was not at the scene - and this provides Jeremy with an alibi...

[lookout]

 Yes Mike,,there is a difference between an engaged tone and one which is off the hook.
 The engaged would have been Neville phoning the police. That much, I'd gather. The off the hook bit would have been when he was caught out.
 A phone which is left off the hook would automatically prompt the operator to look into it,,with his/her voice being heard to replace the receiver.Unlike now,,no voice,just a continued tone.

[mike tesko]

Yes Mike,,there is a difference between an engaged tone and one which is off the hook.
 The engaged would have been Neville phoning the police. That much, I'd gather. The off the hook bit would have been when he was caught out.
 A phone which is left off the hook would automatically prompt the operator to look into it,,with his/her voice being heard to replace the receiver.Unlike now,,no voice,just a continued tone.

Hi Lookout,

Jeremy could not be at his cottage, phoning the police, or be at the scene with the police, and be inside the farmhouse manipulating the telephone handset and its receiver...

[mike tesko]

Jeremy has the perfect alibi to prove that there was someone still very much alive inside the farmhouse at a time when he was performing other duties elsewhere...

If the person still alive inside the farmhouse was not one of the five victims, the only other person it could be was the accomplice..