The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[grahameb]

(Improved version)

Well, maybe, that's an exaggeration! But like Bob Woffinden, she is in a position of some influence. She is an administrator on a forum set up by Mike Tesko to raise awareness of Jeremy’s plight as a wrongly convicted man.

Notice how the guilters are delighted that Caroline is now, in effect, helping them. She has even got Mat coming along to give her his gentlemanly support.

You can’t leave those considerations out of it. Talk about  “opinions” is naïve. Pro guilt people tend to work as a group. Some of them don’t bother with doubts and opinions.

Her new stance is in effect a notable propaganda coup for the Ian Stephens and John Lamberton group who run both the red forum and the guilty page and for others with similar objectives. And that’s regardless of whether or not she sees it like that herself.

I think she knows what she is doing.

Hi Martin. I believe that you may have misunderstood my post there? What I meant was (and I qualified my words in my other post to Caroline) that I am never swayed by anything the (so called) red forum because you can expect any old trash from them. It's no surprise to me.
 
But when Caroline voices her doubts then folk on this pro Bamber forum are shocked in a way and most certainly disturbed by her apparent shift in her beliefs about Bamber's guilt.

Why? Because she has been a constant and stable reasoner and is seen by most members as a kind of anchor person. Also her position as administrator confirms this.

But I simply cannot speak of her in the same breath as xxxx and the other unstable nasty character xxxx or even xxxx. I respect Caroline. I do not respect those slimy characters from the euphemistically termed "red forum".

[susan]

Maggie perhaps I will keep an open mind on these reports that way I cannot be wrong but thanks for the information.

[maggie]

Hi Martin. I believe that you may have misunderstood my post there? What I meant was (and I qualified my words in my other post to Caroline) that I am never swayed by anything the (so called) red forum because you can expect any old trash from them. It's no surprise to me.
But when Caroline voices her doubts then folk on this pro Bamber forum are shocked in a way and most certainly disturbed by her apparent shift in her beliefs about Bamber's guilt.
Why? Because she has been a constant and stable reasoner and is seen by most members as a kind of anchor person. Also her position as administrator confirms this.
But I simply cannot speak of her in the same breath as xxxxx and the other unstable nastycharacter xxxx or even xxxx. I respect Caroline. I do not respect those slimy characters from the euphemistically termed "red forum".

Well said Grahame, totally agree. 

[Alias]

I don´t think that Caroline deserves to be slammed like this, Martin. She is simply stating her opinion.
 
I am not sure if you know this, but even Mike Tesko has from time to time aired the possibilty that Jeremy was somehow involved in the murders. Mike has fluctuating theories of what happened. Mike is more than a moderator, he is the owner of this board.

Martin, you come across as paranoid and frankly, a bit unhinged, with your rants against Caroline.

[susan]

Alias we all have had thoughts that Jeremy could have been somehow involved.  Probably what shocked posters was that Caroline has always been a very very Jeremy innocent supporter and for her to have doubts has made the rest of us (well me anyway) have doubts because she researches so much and does not post stuff up willy nilly like me for example she deals in facts and the forum takes her very very seriously and probably Martin has been taken aback as well at her change in stance.

[Caroline]

I don´t think that Caroline deserves to be slammed like this, Martin. She is simply stating her opinion.
 
I am not sure if you know this, but even Mike Tesko has from time to time aired the possibilty that Jeremy was somehow involved in the murders. Mike has fluctuating theories of what happened. Mike is more than a moderator, he is the owner of this board.

Martin, you come across as paranoid and frankly, a bit unhinged, with your rants against Caroline.

Thank you Alias for your support, I think I have been quite restrained under the circumstances - it must be my sunny and mild mannered disposition  .

[maggie]

Thank you Alias for your support, I think I have been quite restrained under the circumstances - it must be my sunny and mild mannered disposition  .

You are such a retiring flower, Caroline 

[Alias]

Thank you Alias for your support, I think I have been quite restrained under the circumstances - it must be my sunny and mild mannered disposition  .

Must be that!   
I wanted to stay out of this, but since it goes on and on, I have to speak my mind. I don´t think it is fair by a long shot.

[Jane]

Must be that!   
I wanted tp stay out of this, but since it goes on and on, I have to speak my mind. I don´t think it is fair by a long shot.

I'm happy to go with that Alias. When I think of some of the RUBBISH, presented as PROOF of Jeremy's guilt, which has been posted, to which no comment has been made, I'm stunned that ANYONE should be attacked in the way Caroline has been, simply for voicing doubts and rational thinking.

[maggie]

I'm happy to go with that Alias. When I think of some of the RUBBISH, presented as PROOF of Jeremy's guilt, which has been posted, to which no comment has been made, I'm stunned that ANYONE should be attacked in the way Caroline has been, simply for voicing doubts and rational thinking.

I agree, this all began because Caroline put up a post questioning Jeremy's reaction to a question she asked him, she has every right to question as we all do and she has every right to her opinion, as we all have.
Caroline was willing enough to answer various questions but it's all getting a bit heavy and repetitive now. Think it's time to move on   

[Jane]

I agree, this all began because Caroline put up a post questioning Jeremy's reaction to a question she asked him, she has every right to question as we all do and she has every right to her opinion, as we all have.
Caroline was willing enough to answer various questions but it's all getting a bit heavy and repetitive now. Think it's time to move on   

Maggie, THANKS for that The way you've just said it shows very clearly what a storm in a teacup this has become and to those who don't believe Caroline has the right to express an opinion over something which, at the end of the day, SHE experienced, GET OVER IT. As Maggie has said, time to move on.

[Caroline]

I agree, this all began because Caroline put up a post questioning Jeremy's reaction to a question she asked him, she has every right to question as we all do and she has every right to her opinion, as we all have.
Caroline was willing enough to answer various questions but it's all getting a bit heavy and repetitive now. Think it's time to move on   

Thanks Maggie but not according to Martin - Not sure which question he thinks I haven't answered but I'm sure he'll be back to let me know - bless him!! 

[lookout]

John---chapter 13,,verses 33----35. The Last Supper.

" Little children ,yet a little while I am with you.,Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews,Whither I go,ye cannot come; so now I say to you.A new commandment I give unto you,That ye love one another; as I have loved you,that ye also love one another.By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,if ye ye have love to one another.

Whither I go,thou canst not follow me now,but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake ? Verily,verily I say unto thee.The cock shall not crow till thou hath denied me thrice.

[lookout]

I shall attempt to bring this to the fore again to save me re-writing it.

[Caroline]

John---chapter 13,,verses 33----35. The Last Supper.

" Little children ,yet a little while I am with you.,Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews,Whither I go,ye cannot come; so now I say to you.A new commandment I give unto you,That ye love one another; as I have loved you,that ye also love one another.By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,if ye ye have love to one another.

Whither I go,thou canst not follow me now,but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake ? Verily,verily I say unto thee.The cock shall not crow till thou hath denied me thrice.

I take it you are referring to the note in the bible?