The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[lookout]

The dog barking was in the coal shed wasn't it? 

The Labrador outside ? Surely not.

[Jane]

The dog barking was in the coal shed wasn't it? 

If one dog in a family starts barking, it highly likely it will set off any others.

[lookout]

Are you able to state where you got that from Lookout?

There is the description of hearing five knocks, movement and voices, but that was of course caused by the firearms unit entering the building.

It's on the Official site web,,which tells of Nevilles' phone-call to the police.

[No-Bits]

If one dog in a family starts barking, it highly likely it will set off any others.

The other one was found cowering under the bed in the master bedroom. I don't recall ever seeing reports of it barking.

[Caroline]

Probably not lookout? I'm just saying that I didn't know and perhaps neither Mat or Caroline either. Although I have noticed the different way that Caroline questions Bamber supporters now though. A bit more hostile than she used to be?

I only ever treat like with like. People have changed their attitude towards me since I mentioned I have doubts as a result, I am quite disappointed. However, this was predicted but I expected better.

[lookout]

 The phone operator had said that the sound was audible,,after it had been established that the phone had been left off its cradle by Neville having spoken to Malcolm Bonnet.

[No-Bits]

It's on the Official site web,,which tells of Nevilles' phone-call to the police.

Need a head bang wall smiley. Where's Grahame?

I'll leave you to it.

[susan]

Caroline I have not changed my attitude towards you as I have always respected your opinion whatever your stance is/was you are entitled to do this and we should respect your honesty.

[Caroline]

If that ridiculous statement is not an expression of blind faith, I don’t know what would be!

Incidentally, why are you and Mat making comments which are obviously meant to discredit Bambergate?

Bambergate is not relying on faith at all, he is telling us what he knows from the ex policemen he is in contact with.

Are you suggesting he is lying?

Errrr, I am suggesting no such thing!! I asked him a question and the answer he gave was that he was told something existed but had never seen it - then made a flippant comment about kidney's. He said I should just ask if there was something I needed to know - I asked, I still am non the wiser but am pretty convinced he does have kidney's.
If Bambergate was offended by anything I said, I'm sure he'd have said so. I don't think he's lying at all and all he says could be right - however, I not willing to simply take something he was told by someone else as a fact - seeing is believing in this kind of instance.

[Jane]

April, you are the voice of reason today! 

Alias, I do try............................or should that be, I'm very trying?

[Caroline]

I accept the point Harters, it’s just that I was a bit annoyed by the attitude of those two towards Bambergate.

You are right, it’s much better to debate in a civil way.

Your attitude towards me has been rude and condescending and is having the desired effect - well done!!

[Caroline]

Grahame, I'm going to suggest that the "hostility" may be more in your mind than Caroline's, who, because she's looking at this from a different angle, is seeing a another picture and instead of simply concurring, maybe she's challenging her own, previously held beliefs, rather than someone else's.

In Caroline's defence, since she has voiced doubts, I have detected an element of "I know something you don't know" in some posts which I find EXTREMELY irritating and a little childish. WHY NOW??? If this knowledge has been available all along, why wait until NOW to introduce it. Thank God Jeremy isn't relying on us to bring about his release. Grahame, you don't need me to remind you of what happened when the stupid guy built his house on sand. I HATE the thought that my own beliefs may have been built on something LESS than all available knowledge, because if it has, there's every likelihood I've got it wrong.

Thanks April, people forget that I have had their corner in the past. It's certainly didn't take long for the sharks to start circling. Tough, I will continue to write what I think, not what people want to hear - if that is hard medicine for some to swallow - so be it.

[Caroline]

Caroline I have not changed my attitude towards you as I have always respected your opinion whatever your stance is/was you are entitled to do this and we should respect your honesty.

Thanks Susan

[maggie]

The dog barking was in the coal shed wasn't it? 

Could the dog barking in the coal shed have been heard by the phone operator listening in on the kitchen phone which was off the hook?  Just wondering???

[lookout]

Could the dog barking in the coal shed have been heard by the phone operator listening in on the kitchen phone which was off the hook?  Just wondering???

It could well have been that one,Maggie,,but it's the rustling bit that I'm trying to fathom out,that the operator heard. What would rustle ?