The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[nugnug]

well you would think at least one body would in good enough condition to get a time of death from.

[Steve_uk]

Where did the bible end up ? Why wasn't it presented at the 2002 appeal ?

It was discussed lookout in 405-421.http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

[lookout]

 Thanks Steve.I'm getting bogged down with all the scenarios and things.

[Martin]

If there was such proof, we'd have heard about it by now.

If that ridiculous statement is not an expression of blind faith, I don’t know what would be!

Incidentally, why are you and Mat making comments which are obviously meant to discredit Bambergate?

Bambergate is not relying on faith at all, he is telling us what he knows from the ex policemen he is in contact with.

Are you suggesting he is lying?

[No-Bits]

If that ridiculous statement is not an expression of blind faith, I don’t know what would be!

Incidentally, why are you and Mat making comments which are obviously meant to discredit Bambergate?

Bambergate is not relying on faith at all, he is telling us what he knows from the ex policemen he is in contact with.

Are you suggesting he is lying?

This is getting tiresome.

Is there any chance a moderator could enforce the rules that members should be respectful of each others views. Likewise Mat should not have accused BG of lying.


Just a suggestion.

[Martin]

This is getting tiresome.

Is there any chance a moderator could enforce the rules that members should be respectful of each others views. Likewise Mat should not have accused BG of lying.


Just a suggestion.

I accept the point Harters, it’s just that I was a bit annoyed by the attitude of those two towards Bambergate.

You are right, it’s much better to debate in a civil way.

[No-Bits]

well you would think at least one body would in good enough condition to get a time of death from.

I don't know how advanced the science was at the time. Maybe estimating the time to within about 5 or so hours was as good as it got. The pathologist also had a delay in seeing the bodies and did not see them in situ at the crime scene, which given his recommendations to future pathologists, it may  well have removed further clues that he could have used to give a time of death.

[Roch]

Is there any chance a moderator could enforce the rules that members should be respectful of each others views. Likewise Mat should not have accused BG of lying.

I accept the point Harters, it’s just that I was a bit annoyed by the attitude of those two towards Bambergate.

You are right, it’s much better to debate in a civil way.

Civility can be stretched at times and has been on countless occasions.  As long as members try and pull themselves back towards being reasonable, things normally right themselves.   

[maggie]

Civility can be stretched at times and has been on countless occasions.  As long as members try and pull themselves back towards being reasonable, things normally right themselves.

I agree Roch, sometimes mods aren't online also as you say often these things adjust, better to see if that happens before we wade in. 

[grahameb]

If that ridiculous statement is not an expression of blind faith, I don’t know what would be!

Incidentally, why are you and Mat making comments which are obviously meant to discredit Bambergate?

Bambergate is not relying on faith at all, he is telling us what he knows from the ex policemen he is in contact with.

Are you suggesting he is lying?

With all due respect Martin. Although I agree that Bambergate should not have been accused of lying, nevertheless I'm not sure if he made it clear to people that he was repeating the words of an ex policeman? Although I am not the best example of someone who pays attention, I certainly was not aware of his connections with an ex police officer and I too could not recall reading about such a thing? I therefore can understand their doubts about this evidence that he allegedly holds.

[lookout]

Am I the only one who knew of Bambergates' connections to the police ?

[grahameb]

Am I the only one who knew of Bambergates' connections to the police ?

Probably not lookout? I'm just saying that I didn't know and perhaps neither Mat or Caroline either. Although I have noticed the different way that Caroline questions Bamber supporters now though. A bit more hostile than she used to be?

[lookout]

Probably not lookout? I'm just saying that I didn't know and perhaps neither Mat or Caroline either. Although I have noticed the different way that Caroline questions Bamber supporters now though. A bit more hostile than she used to be?

I agree Grahame. Though I don't know why,,but I'm a bit above that now so it doesn't bother me.
Let's just say that I'm used to the hostilities that I,personally,have received on this forum.
In one ear and out of the other so to speak. If you have confidence in yourself,,you can ride these things.

[maggie]

Probably not lookout? I'm just saying that I didn't know and perhaps neither Mat or Caroline either. Although I have noticed the different way that Caroline questions Bamber supporters now though. A bit more hostile than she used to be?

I didn't know either Grahame. I knew he continually contacted everyone and anyone about the case and was totally committed to finding the truth but didn't know he was in constant contact with an ex policeman.
Good for him he's doing a great job imo.

[lookout]

This is why I've strongly supported Bambergate from day one. Nobody knows more than an ex-cop !