The Noble Cause Framing Theory

[Roch]

Nobody knows more than an ex-cop !

But there are plenty ex cops in and around this case to choose from.  And still more who may have stayed silent.  What if one ex cop disagrees with another ex cop?

[lookout]

But there are plenty ex cops in and around this case to choose from.  And still more who may have stayed silent.  What if one ex cop disagrees with another ex cop?

I should really have made the comparison in an ex-cop and a retired one,,as there's a vast difference.
I don't know whether Bambergates' " asscociate " is actually ex or retired.

It will be the ex's who disagree with the retired ones------------possibly ? More often than not.

[lookout]

 It's those who have been dismissed who are likely to tell the truth.Whistleblowers. Rather than go with the flow knowing that it's all lies.

[Jane]

Probably not lookout? I'm just saying that I didn't know and perhaps neither Mat or Caroline either. Although I have noticed the different way that Caroline questions Bamber supporters now though. A bit more hostile than she used to be?

Grahame, I'm going to suggest that the "hostility" may be more in your mind than Caroline's, who, because she's looking at this from a different angle, is seeing a another picture and instead of simply concurring, maybe she's challenging her own, previously held beliefs, rather than someone else's.

In Caroline's defence, since she has voiced doubts, I have detected an element of "I know something you don't know" in some posts which I find EXTREMELY irritating and a little childish. WHY NOW??? If this knowledge has been available all along, why wait until NOW to introduce it. Thank God Jeremy isn't relying on us to bring about his release. Grahame, you don't need me to remind you of what happened when the stupid guy built his house on sand. I HATE the thought that my own beliefs may have been built on something LESS than all available knowledge, because if it has, there's every likelihood I've got it wrong.

 

[lookout]

What could have been the " rustling " noise which was heard by the phone operator ? As well as the dog barking,,when the phone was off the hook at WHF.

[lookout]

 It would strike me that there was someone alive/moving inside the farmhouse if the dog was still barking.

[Jane]

It would strike me that there was someone alive/moving inside the farmhouse if the dog was still barking.

OR, was the dog barking because it was being disturbed by what was happening outside the farmhouse.

[maggie]

But there are plenty ex cops in and around this case to choose from.  And still more who may have stayed silent.  What if one ex cop disagrees with another ex cop?

Exactly and every excop has their own agenda, have to be very careful with cops, ex  or not imo

[Alias]

April, you are the voice of reason today! 

[maggie]

It would strike me that there was someone alive/moving inside the farmhouse if the dog was still barking.

Wonder where the dog was if the operator could hear the dog in that big old house with tbick stone walls  crispy must have been downstairs in the kitchen area and only ran upstairs when the raid team started battering on the door?

[Alias]

Wonder where the dog was if the operator could hear the dog in that big old house with tbick stone walls  crispy must have been downstairs in the kitchen area and only ran upstairs when the raid team started battering on the door?

Good point. Or the house carries sound well, which again contradicts that Sheila slept through it all as is often claimed.

[lookout]

OR, was the dog barking because it was being disturbed by what was happening outside the farmhouse.

It was more the rustling noise rather than the dog barking,April. This is what it was described as such.

[No-Bits]

Wonder where the dog was if the operator could hear the dog in that big old house with tbick stone walls  crispy must have been downstairs in the kitchen area and only ran upstairs when the raid team started battering on the door?

The dog barking was in the coal shed wasn't it? 

[lookout]

Wonder where the dog was if the operator could hear the dog in that big old house with tbick stone walls  crispy must have been downstairs in the kitchen area and only ran upstairs when the raid team started battering on the door?

It would have been in and around the area where the phone was in the kitchen,Maggie-----presumably.

[No-Bits]

It was more the rustling noise rather than the dog barking,April. This is what it was described as such.

Are you able to state where you got that from Lookout?

There is the description of hearing five knocks, movement and voices, but that was of course caused by the firearms unit entering the building.