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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2014, 11:57:AM »
Guilter propaganda

It looks like Caroline has done a Bob Woffinden. This thread is a good example of the most loathsome kind of guilter propaganda- no real evidence worth considering, but a good deal of suggestion and innuendo aimed at blackening Jeremy’s character and at distracting attention from the main issues-like the evidence of the pathologists and the ballistics experts. Just like Ann Eaton’s evidence, in fact!

A prediction

I predict that you will be getting more of this kind of thing from her in the coming weeks. She appears to think she has a job to do.

this isnt a relgion posters are allowed to change there minds.

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2014, 12:25:PM »
Jeremy obviously didn't think he'd be living at the farmhouse ? Yet at that point,thought he would be Lord and Master of all he surveyed ?
Why didn't he leave his tape-recorder where it was and start moving stuff from his Goldhanger home,back to the farmhouse in order to either sell or rent off Goldhanger ?

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2014, 12:28:PM »
Thanks for the support everyone!! I think above all, the truth is important - I certainly didn't join the forum to blow smoke up Jeremy's backside or anyone else's for that matter.

Martin seems to think that if you have doubts, you should keep them to yourself and carry on supporting an innocent stance. What I have said isn't propaganda, it's a perfectly simply question and you either find it suspicious or you don't. I do!! I couldn't possibly blacken Jeremy's character any further because unless Martin has failed to realise, he's serving a life sentence on a full life tariff and FAR from distracting from the pathologist evidence, I think you'll find that I mention it at EVERY opportunity!!
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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2014, 12:41:PM »
mind i still think its highly unlickly he would killed his family then looked in his dads wallet then left i mean why would he.

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2014, 12:55:PM »
Jeremy obviously didn't think he'd be living at the farmhouse ? Yet at that point,thought he would be Lord and Master of all he surveyed ?
Why didn't he leave his tape-recorder where it was and start moving stuff from his Goldhanger home,back to the farmhouse in order to either sell or rent off Goldhanger ?




If Jeremy had been the culprit,,he wasn't very smart.
He'd have removed all,or most of the valuables from WHF,,as I did when a member of the family died,so that its value wasn't added to the probate,as death duties,etc mount up.
Or---------in Jeremys' case,,jewellery could have been quickly sold if he was that greedy,,and nobody would have been any the wiser as to its existance.

Another point I remember was that our property couldn't be " lived in " until at least 4 months after probate had been sorted. Nobody had been murdered or anything,but we had family breathing down our necks at the time.
I could NOT live in a place where there had been such a tragedy ! Maybe this is how Jeremy thought too.

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #50 on: April 14, 2014, 01:02:PM »
another important qustion here is what was ann eaton doing taking a dead mans wallet in the first place.

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2014, 01:03:PM »
mind i still think its highly unlickly he would killed his family then looked in his dads wallet then left i mean why would he.



Nugs,,he'd have taken the wallet with him,,and the watch,,and just generally helped himself to whatever else there was,flogged it,and nobody would have been any the wiser.
Imagine being asked---------in your own family home----------" what are you doing "---all the time. I'd have chased AE,without question. What was the matter with the woman,,I ask myself ??

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #52 on: April 14, 2014, 01:04:PM »
No wonder " Taff " Jones was pi55ed off with them all, in and out of his office telling tales. Pathetic.

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #53 on: April 14, 2014, 01:06:PM »
another important qustion here is what was ann eaton doing taking a dead mans wallet in the first place.




Exactly,nugs. " Safe-keeping " like the jewellery,I suspect.

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2014, 01:08:PM »
and what does that say about her character and her credibilty as a witness.

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2014, 01:09:PM »
Until one has experienced this sort of behaviour,,it's hard to understand for others to imagine that it goes on. I have by my very nature,,,a suspicious mind.

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2014, 01:11:PM »
and what does that say about her character and her credibilty as a witness.





Not a lot,I'm afraid,,,but you had the Masons on her side !

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2014, 01:28:PM »
if he had of kiled his family that night and then looked in his dads wallet then surely he would of known the exact amount that was in there but he clearly doesnt he says bettween 400 and 500 meaning he clearly does not know.

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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #58 on: April 14, 2014, 01:53:PM »
That's a bit harsh Martin. Personally I'm with Tyler on this and I came to similar conclusions as Tyler a while ago when Caroline shared her thoughts with me. Another problem I have with this being anything sinister is that it goes against the grain of much else that points towards a psychotic episode / a raid that experienced complications / what could be regarded as fabricated evidence / altered statements / corruptive practices among police officers / altered pathology report / financial motive among prosecution witnesses etc. All in all, I think it highly unlikely that police framed the right culprit. I don't think JB seems any more money orientated than his extended family, even if he has at some point checked the wallet. Discrepancies In answers needs to be considered but i will pm Caroline about this.   


Propaganda technique

I think you have things in perspective on this case, although you and Tyler both seem to follow the crowd on the Amanda Knox case.

What Caroline is doing is applying a propaganda technique, even if naively. When they talk about the mountain of evidence against Amanda Knox, it is just this kind of thing which they mean. Here are a few examples

"The Mountain of evidence"

Sollecito is known to have said, on seeing Meredith’s room after the murder, that nothing was stolen. The guilters see this as damning evidence that he took part in the murder because if he did not, so they say, he could not have known that nothing had been stolen.

Well, he said later that he just assumed that nothing had been stolen because valuables such as a laptop, which you would expect  a thief to have taken  were left there . So there is really nothing in that statement which is damning, yet the guilters never tire of using that as evidence, when it doesn’t really even make it as weak evidence never mind damning stuff.

Another example. When it was found that the door to Meredith Kercher’s room was locked, Amanda tried to reassure people saying that Meredith always locked her door, as if to suggest there was no need to worry. This is taken to be damning evidence of Knox’s guilt, because other residents contradicted her, saying that Meredith sometimes didn’t lock her door.

Why would Amanda say that Meredith always locked her door? Well, because it was Amanda the killer who locked the door! The truth is that Meredith did NOT always lock her door.

Here’s another example of evidence aimed at ignorant people.

Sion Jenkins

Sion Jenkins said that he went to the hardware store to buy white spirit. It turned out that the police found he already had some in the cupboard. That is supposed to be damning evidence that he pretended to go for white spirit after murdering Billie-Jo to give himself a false alibi.

He said that he just didn’t see it, because it was behind some other stuff at the back of the cupboard-a perfectly reasonable explanation, it would seem, but there is more. It turned out that when Jenkins reached the hardware store, he found that he had forgotten his money.

The argument of the prosecution was that it was virtually impossible that he could have made two such humdrum mistakes in the same day.

Damning Evidence!

He made the journey to give himself a false alibi, they said. He says that Billie-Jo was killed while he was away and that defence is supported by his two daughters who both say that Billie -Jo was alive when they left the house.

Now, which would a reasonably intelligent person consider to be the stronger evidence, the alibi or going for white spirit when he already had some?

Which is stronger, the evidence of the pathologists, who say that Sheila can’t have been dead for more than two hours when the pictures were taken, or the evidence that Jeremy knew how much money was in his father’s wallet?

Which carries more weight, science or popular opinion? The answer, of course, is popular opinion.


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Re: Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?
« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2014, 02:13:PM »
i don't think its right to accuse Caroline of such things on the strength of one thread she started.


you seem to think theres a party line everyone has to toe.
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