Did Jeremy Make a Freudian Slip?

[Caroline]

nevile was in his pjs when he died wasnt he?

so he dident have his wallet on his person he died

No, but what difference does that make?

[nugnug]

to have looked through nevile wallet that night he would of had to have purposefully gone looking for it and why he go looking for the wallet then look inside the wallet but then not take anything from the wallet.

that doesn't make sense.

[tyler]

Personally I dont read much into this. Maybe it was usual for Nevill to keep this amount of money on him as a float? In case any suppliers to the farm needed to be paid in cash etc? Or maybe he had made a recent withdraweral from the bank (that JB knew about) in order to purchase something or pay a bill perhaps? Or maybe he was just plain nosey? After-all,he admitted that he had previously took a peek at his parents wills.

[nugnug]

ann eaton dident make much of it but maybe she thought the implication was obvios.

she also may not of wanted to draw to much attention to the fact she had nicked a dead mans wallet.

[Caroline]

Personally I dont read much into this. Maybe it was usual for Nevill to keep this amount of money on him as a float? In case any suppliers to the farm needed to be paid in cash etc? Or maybe he had made a recent withdraweral from the bank (that JB knew about) in order to purchase something or pay a bill perhaps? Or maybe he was just plain nosey? After-all,he admitted that he had previously took a peek at his parents wills.

I don't buy it. There are lots of things I can think of to make excuses for - but not this. I think he let his guard down because it wasn't where he expected it to be. He denied saying it when I asked him but then later described the same event - presumably because he forgot what he had told me previously.

It makes no difference to me if Jeremy is innocent or guilty - I just would like to know the truth! I have argued vehemently for innocence in the past and have always said if I'm wrong I'd admit it. I'm not saying this makes him guilty - just that it has made me question my own stance. Whatever the case maybe, I still think that the case against him was engineered and stand by all I have said re the silencer and the discrepancies within the autopsy evidence!!

[Martin]

They say every criminal makes at least one mistake which gives them away. It may be subtle and on the face of it, may seem unimportant until you think about it. The following excerpt from one of Ann Eaton's statements has bugged me since first reading it - a perfectly innocent comment about his father's wallet doesn't seem too sinister on the surface. However, how did Jeremy know how much was in the wallet? Is it likely that Neville would broadcast the contents of his wallet? Such things are surely not discussed - but Jeremy knew how much was in the wallet and the other contents - as though he had recently looked inside it.   

Did he count it after killing five people, leaving it behind to claim later? And in his haste to find it, did he make a Freudian slip?

Guilter propaganda

It looks like Caroline has done a Bob Woffinden. This thread is a good example of the most loathsome kind of guilter propaganda- no real evidence worth considering, but a good deal of suggestion and innuendo aimed at blackening Jeremy’s character and at distracting attention from the main issues-like the evidence of the pathologists and the ballistics experts. Just like Ann Eaton’s evidence, in fact!

A prediction

I predict that you will be getting more of this kind of thing from her in the coming weeks. She appears to think she has a job to do.

[Caroline]

Guilter propaganda

It looks like Caroline has done a Bob Woffinden. This thread is a good example of the most loathsome kind of guilter propaganda- no real evidence worth considering, but a good deal of suggestion and innuendo aimed at blackening Jeremy’s character and at distracting attention from the main issues-like the evidence of the pathologists and the ballistics experts. Just like Ann Eaton’s evidence, in fact!

A prediction

I predict that you will be getting more of this kind of thing from her in the coming weeks. She appears to think she has a job to do.

I used to have some respect for your posts in the past - just lost that! I have no job to do, just an opinion which has changed because of research and correspondence with the man in question! Don't pretend to know my motives or anything else about me!

[Martin]

I used to have some respect for your posts in the past - just lost that! I have no job to do, just an opinion which has changed because of research and correspondence with the man in question! Don't pretend to know my motives or anything else about me!

You mean you let that poor guy think that you had come along to help him, when your real inclination was to trick him and to help the authorities keep him where he is?

[Jane]

I would think it's closer to having ones whole belief system shattered. Similar to the shock of finding out ones lover has been unfaithful. Caroline has done no more than call it as she has experienced it and is DOING no more than putting it to others and asking what they make of it. You, on the other hand are simply condemning her. You disappoint me.

[Roch]

You mean you let that poor guy think that you had come along to help him, when your real inclination was to trick him and to help the authorities keep him where he is?

That's a bit harsh Martin. Personally I'm with Tyler on this and I came to similar conclusions as Tyler a while ago when Caroline shared her thoughts with me. Another problem I have with this being anything sinister is that it goes against the grain of much else that points towards a psychotic episode / a raid that experienced complications / what could be regarded as fabricated evidence / altered statements / corruptive practices among police officers / altered pathology report / financial motive among prosecution witnesses etc. All in all, I think it highly unlikely that police framed the right culprit. I don't think JB seems any more money orientated than his extended family, even if he has at some point checked the wallet. Discrepancies In answers needs to be considered but i will pm Caroline about this.   

[grahameb]

Guilter propaganda

It looks like Caroline has done a Bob Woffinden. This thread is a good example of the most loathsome kind of guilter propaganda- no real evidence worth considering, but a good deal of suggestion and innuendo aimed at blackening Jeremy’s character and at distracting attention from the main issues-like the evidence of the pathologists and the ballistics experts. Just like Ann Eaton’s evidence, in fact!

A prediction

I predict that you will be getting more of this kind of thing from her in the coming weeks. She appears to think she has a job to do.

I really must protest at your harsh language concerning Caroline. I have great respect for her. She is one of the best.
Aren't we here to establish "the truth" and not just to defend Jeremy. I too find it strange that Jeremy could not answer Caroline's question concerning the money. If there is a suitable explanation, then good. But it is intriguing that he should know the exact amount that was in his father's wallet?
I know that this does not make him a guilty man regarding the murders. But I still find it odd that he did know. But then again if he knew about the wallet and was guilty then why did he not take it himself?

Something always surprises me where some relation dies. A recent friend of mine passed away and I spoke to his son. He told be that the first thing his sister had done was to take all his father's money. I have see this time and time again. The only innocent reason I can think of is that if other people in the neighbourhood know that the person/s had died and that the house was empty that they took all the money that was in the house to prevent burglars from stealing it?

[Jane]

I really must protest at your harsh language concerning Caroline. I have great respect for her. She is one of the best.
Aren't we here to establish "the truth" and not just to defend Jeremy. I too find it strange that Jeremy could not answer Caroline's question concerning the money. If there is a suitable explanation, then good. But it is intriguing that he should know the exact amount that was in his father's wallet?
I know that this does not make him a guilty man regarding the murders. But I still find it odd that he did know. But then again if he knew about the wallet and was guilty then why did he not take it himself?

Something always surprises me where some relation dies. A recent friend of mine passed away and I spoke to his son. He told be that the first thing his sister had done was to take all his father's money. I have see this time and time again. The only innocent reason I can think of is that if other people in the neighbourhood know that the person/s had died and that the house was empty that they took all the money that was in the house to prevent burglars from stealing it?

Concisely and sensibly said, Grahame. Since when was it not allowed, in the pursuit of the truth, to state ones views and invite others opinions. If the truth SHOULD turn out to be other that that for which we'd hoped we must accept it.

[lookout]

Ann Eaton didn't make a big thing about him knowing how much was in the wallet, she was more concerned that he didn't find out she had given it to her father. Plus, I think it unlikely that he would have been paid on a Tuesday. Also he called 'Jones' to complain about not being able to find it - he was quite angry and this is usually when we make these kind of slips.

Hi Caroline,,I didn't mean that he was paying wages out the day before ( Tuesday ) what I meant was that it would have been the remainder,if you like,,of having paid the farm-workers perhaps on the Friday before,,including having paid Jeremy too,,who would have seen the contents of the wallet when his father opened it.
I doubt if Jeremy would have complained to the police if he,himself had stolen it. There was a valuable watch too,,under the carpet ( where Jeremy allegedly shoved it there with his foot ) which also hasn't been mentioned as to who happened to have taken that as well. It was worth a couple of bob I imagine.

[lookout]

 When was the safe open,,and who opened it ? Does anyone know ? As usually the key is in a place where only one or two family members know.

[Caroline]

You mean you let that poor guy think that you had come along to help him, when your real inclination was to trick him and to help the authorities keep him where he is?

I think you'll find that I have worked hard on trying to prove that Jeremy was innocent - harder than you who turns up to grace us with your appearance once in a blue moon accusing anyone who thinks Jeremy might be guilty - of being Starryian. I suppose now I think he might be guilty, I'll be a candidte too. I didn't trick anyone!!