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« Reply #120 on: March 30, 2014, 10:35:AM »
Ann Eaton did write a few things down. She did not beleive Sheila was capable of going on such an unbelievable savage murderous rampage. Or did her family want Jeremys inheritance ???

Julies diaries seem disorganised, messing & abreviated. In other words written for her eyes only on the day. But appreciate what they say are so damaging that Jeremys supporters have to say they are made up.


A VERY sweeping statement, Adam. You have no way of knowing what AE wrote, and given her determination to get Jeremy blamed one can only assume she wrote down somewhat MORE than "a few things." She certainly didn't WANT Sheila to have committed the murders but she didn't know her well enough to know whether she could have done it or not. If you recall, she went out of her way to avoid contact with Sheila and didn't bother to reply when Sheila wrote to her. You'll find this in her WS. As for whether her family wanted that inheritance. THEY saw that inheritance as theirs and apart from that there were loans attached to it that had Jeremy chosen to call in MAY have left them financially embarrassed.

Julie's diaries were all you say of them. So, too, were all my college notes. Taken down in a form of crude shorthand for me to expand on/talk about at a later date. Either those diaries are retrospective OR Julie was psychic. How could she write about, on Jan 2nd, what didn't happen until the following August?

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« Reply #121 on: March 30, 2014, 10:46:AM »

A VERY sweeping statement, Adam. You have no way of knowing what AE wrote, and given her determination to get Jeremy blamed one can only assume she wrote down somewhat MORE than "a few things." She certainly didn't WANT Sheila to have committed the murders but she didn't know her well enough to know whether she could have done it or not. If you recall, she went out of her way to avoid contact with Sheila and didn't bother to reply when Sheila wrote to her. You'll find this in her WS. As for whether her family wanted that inheritance. THEY saw that inheritance as theirs and apart from that there were loans attached to it that had Jeremy chosen to call in MAY have left them financially embarrassed.

Julie's diaries were all you say of them. So, too, were all my college notes. Taken down in a form of crude shorthand for me to expand on/talk about at a later date. Either those diaries are retrospective OR Julie was psychic. How could she write about, on Jan 2nd, what didn't happen until the following August?

I have read her WS. She is in no doubt that Sheila could not have massacred her family. And that Jeremy is guilty.

As I said the diary seems genuine. Certainly not neat & tidy & something that would be supplied in court. It wasn't.  But appreciate you have to discredit it.
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« Reply #122 on: March 30, 2014, 10:46:AM »
Haway Adam.  Surely you can spot an unsubtle Stan Jones-led piece of fiction?  Ann Eaton kept note cards and somebody got the idea that Julie Mugford should do something similar, after the fact.

The Hitler Diaries are more genuine than this pap, come on!
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« Reply #123 on: March 30, 2014, 10:49:AM »
I have read her WS. She is in no doubt that Sheila could not have massacred her family. And that Jeremy is guilty.

As I said the diary seems genuine. Certainly not neat & tidy & something that would be supplied in court. It wasn't.  But appreciate you have to discredit it.
So much so that she foresaw everything that was going to happen in August that she wrote it down in January. Really, You aren't that thick are you?

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« Reply #124 on: March 30, 2014, 10:53:AM »
I have read her WS. She is in no doubt that Sheila could not have massacred her family. And that Jeremy is guilty.

As I said the diary seems genuine. Certainly not neat & tidy & something that would be supplied in court. It wasn't.  But appreciate you have to discredit it.


Of COURSE she isn't!! However, I reaffirm that she didn't know enough of Sheila to know what she was or wasn't capable of.

Can you please explain why Julie wrote, in a brand new diary, on Jan 2nd, things which hadn't yet occurred. At the VERY least it suggests that the diary was little more than another version of AE's note book.

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« Reply #125 on: March 30, 2014, 10:53:AM »
So much so that she foresaw everything that was going to happen in August that she wrote it down in January. Really, You aren't that thick are you?

I am not as thick as you. Believing a massive the massive cover up to frame an innocent man. Err Jeremy has lost 4 times. In court.

You believe the diary is made up. Why bother ? It was not discussed in court.
 
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« Reply #126 on: March 30, 2014, 10:56:AM »
I am not as thick as you. Believing a massive the massive cover up to frame an innocent man. Err Jeremy has lost 4 times. In court.

You believe the diary is made up. Why bother ? It was not discussed in court.
Well thats no redeeming thought, as I acknowledge the fact that I am thick. But it is always good to see that you acknowledge that you are as well. ;D

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« Reply #127 on: March 30, 2014, 10:58:AM »
I am not as thick as you. Believing a massive the massive cover up to frame an innocent man. Err Jeremy has lost 4 times. In court.

You believe the diary is made up. Why bother ? It was not discussed in court.
Adam. I've just given you proof that it was made up for that specific purpose. I just wonder why you can't accept it? How else would you explain why an August entry was placed on a January page? And why is there nothing else in the diary that refers to ordinary every day stuff?

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« Reply #128 on: March 30, 2014, 11:01:AM »
Adam. I've just given you proof that it was made up for that specific purpose. I just wonder why you can't accept it? How else would you explain why an August entry was placed on a January page? And why is there nothing else in the diary that refers to ordinary every day stuff?

Ordinary stuff ? You mean 'woke up, brush my teeth'. There were more important things happening.

I do not believe the diary was made up. Like Julies 'Witness Statement' it has a 'ring of truth to it'.
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« Reply #129 on: March 30, 2014, 11:05:AM »
Ordinary stuff ? You mean 'woke up, brush my teeth'. There were more important things happening.

I do not believe the diary was made up. Like Julies 'Witness Statement' it has a 'ring of truth to it'.



Isn't it you who keeps quoting Jeremy as saying that it's important to tell as much of the truth as possible? Perhaps that's what Julie did.......................at times.

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« Reply #130 on: March 30, 2014, 11:07:AM »
Ordinary stuff ? You mean 'woke up, brush my teeth'. There were more important things happening.

I do not believe the diary was made up. Like Julies 'Witness Statement' it has a 'ring of truth to it'.
Yes exactly that and why doesn't the diary start with that ordinary stuff earlier in the year? Stuff like "went to Selfrideges and stole a load of clothes". Went to France. Had a great time with Jeremy since he paid for everything. You know. Orinary stuff that ordinary people put in their diaries. Instead of writing on January something that she foresaw was going to happen in August?
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« Reply #131 on: March 31, 2014, 06:29:PM »
of the innocent posters who is com;pletly certan and of the guilty camp who is completely certain of guilt
I am  certain I would bet my own life on it in a blink of a eye.
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« Reply #132 on: March 31, 2014, 06:33:PM »
Me too.

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« Reply #133 on: March 31, 2014, 06:35:PM »
lookout

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Re: who is completely certain.
« Reply #134 on: March 31, 2014, 08:26:PM »
I am not as thick as you. Believing a massive the massive cover up to frame an innocent man. Err Jeremy has lost 4 times. In court.

You believe the diary is made up. Why bother ? It was not discussed in court.

the pii certficates prove theres as massive cover up.