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Offline tyler

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« Reply #105 on: March 29, 2014, 07:11:PM »
Well,er yes,Grahame.  ;D
It's one thing I regret, not keeping a diary. It would have read like any novel,,but getting people to believe its contents would have been another matter. Though I've filled an A4 writing book,no problem,,about a personal " happening in 2011.
Oooh,was it a love affair Lookout? Can we expect a series like 'Fifty Shades of Grey' being published anytime soon?   :P

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« Reply #106 on: March 29, 2014, 07:13:PM »
lookout you little dark horse tell us more we could do with cheering up ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #107 on: March 29, 2014, 07:14:PM »
number 9   ???

bit personal. Looks like she was going for a particular type of character assassination there. :o

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« Reply #108 on: March 29, 2014, 07:28:PM »
I can upload the rest of her 'diary' entries if anyone is interested?

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« Reply #109 on: March 29, 2014, 07:29:PM »
I can upload the rest of her 'diary' entries if anyone is interested?



Tyler, thank-you, that would be super.

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« Reply #110 on: March 29, 2014, 07:39:PM »
I can upload the rest of her 'diary' entries if anyone is interested?

Please!! :)
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« Reply #111 on: March 29, 2014, 07:45:PM »
Oooh,was it a love affair Lookout? Can we expect a series like 'Fifty Shades of Grey' being published anytime soon?   :P




I wish,tyler. :)

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« Reply #112 on: March 29, 2014, 07:49:PM »
I am actually reading them right now on another board. They sound as if she were a stenographer, very point by point. They also sound as if they were written some time after events, and they sound as if she is writing FOR someone - like a time-line.
To me it doesn´t appear to be a young person´s diary. It is a bit.... off.

P.S. as an example she writes on the page of August 17: For a day we were quite happy. If she had written the diary day by day wouldn´t she say something like: The day was quite happy - or: Today was quite happy.

Another thing: There is an entry on"August 6" (she couldn´t have known then, could she?  ;)):

"Night/morning of 5 murders at Tolleshunt D'Arcy.
- White House Farm

1) Mr Nevill Bamber    8 x 's
2) Mrs June Bamber   5 x 's
3) Mrs Sheila Caffell   All shot twice (suicide?)
4) Nicholas Caffell       3 x 's
5) Daniel Caffell          3 x 's"

It sounds like something a police officer would write, "Mrs Sheila Caffell", "Daniel Caffell".... Julie knew them, she would have written "Sheila" and "Daniel" etc.

Why so formal?

Not her diary - something concocted in collaboration with EP. Some of it undoubdetly true, some not.

Lastly, if this is not a day-by-day diary, we can see by the dates it isn´t, why use a diary with those dates? Can´t help thinking it is to give it an air of authenticity.

Just thinking aloud here - and not very coherently.... LOL

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« Reply #113 on: March 29, 2014, 07:57:PM »
I am actually reading them right now on another board. They sound as if she were a stenographer, very point by point. They also sound as if they were written some time after events, and they sound as if she is writing FOR someone - like a time-line.
To me it doesn´t appear to be a young person´s diary. It is a bit.... off.



It reads VERY much like it's been written by someone who isn't used to keeping a diary.

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« Reply #114 on: March 30, 2014, 09:37:AM »
How are you supposed to write a diary ?

Diaries are usually kept private, certainly not shown to police or put online. It seems genuine to me.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #115 on: March 30, 2014, 09:41:AM »
How are you supposed to write a diary ?

Diaries are usually kept private, certainly not shown to police or put online. It seems genuine to me.

Haway Adam.  Surely you can spot an unsubtle Stan Jones-led piece of fiction?  Ann Eaton kept note cards and somebody got the idea that Julie Mugford should do something similar, after the fact.

The Hitler Diaries are more genuine than this pap, come on!

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« Reply #116 on: March 30, 2014, 09:51:AM »
Ann Eaton did write a few things down. She did not beleive Sheila was capable of going on such an unbelievable savage murderous rampage. Or did her family want Jeremys inheritance ???

Julies diaries seem disorganised, messing & abreviated. In other words written for her eyes only on the day. But appreciate what they say are so damaging that Jeremys supporters have to say they are made up.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #117 on: March 30, 2014, 10:04:AM »
Ann Eaton did write a few things down.


Pity her contemporaneous note of the phone call time given by Helen Eaton didn't remain the same when it got transferred in to her statements and had to fit with the prosecution case. 

She did not beleive Sheila was capable of going on such an unbelievable savage murderous rampage. Or did her family want Jeremys inheritance ???

Pity she wasn't clued up in a similar vein to Colin, Nevill & Farhad.  Then she might have thought differently.  However I think the sentiment stated in your second sentence could have been strong enough to override even this.

Julies diaries seem disorganised, messing & abreviated. In other words written for her eyes only on the day. But appreciate what they say are so damaging that Jeremys supporters have to say they are made up.

Ha ha - I'd like to see your opinion on them if they were being used as evidence against your self. 
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Pity her contemporaneous note of the phone call time given by Helen Eaton didn't remain the same when it got transferred in to her statements and had to fit with the prosecution case. 

Pity she wasn't clued up in a similar vein to Colin, Nevill & Farhad.  Then she might have thought differently.  However I think the sentiment stated in your second sentence could have been strong enough to override even this.

Ha ha - I'd like to see your opinion on them if they were being used as evidence against your self.

The diaries were not discussed in court.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #119 on: March 30, 2014, 10:14:AM »
Ann Eaton did write a few things down. She did not beleive Sheila was capable of going on such an unbelievable savage murderous rampage. Or did her family want Jeremys inheritance ???

Julies diaries seem disorganised, messing & abreviated. In other words written for her eyes only on the day. But appreciate what they say are so damaging that Jeremys supporters have to say they are made up.




Ann Eaton was another one who only wrote what she wanted to write.She too had a duff memory when it suited. For instance,,she " forgot " who it was who'd told her that Sheila was found on the bed with the bible on her chest. It was either her or JM who'd been told,,but both forgot who'd told them,Yeah !
We all know how " cosy " Mr S Jones was with them all !
How could you miss not writing about the most pivotal item in all this ? Strange.
Though I must hand it to AE,,she did report the bloodied cobweb 6 years later !