What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?

[Adam]

Wilf, you say that nobody's that stupid . The police believed her! They were cerlain that Shiela was the culprit until Julie told them that Jeremy told her that he was going to do it. Yes, unbelieveable, but I heard today about a copper tazering a blind man because he thought that his white stick was a Samairi sword !
Recently, a youth was arrested by a mounted copper in  Milton Keynes becasehe refered to his horse as being "queer "We hear of other stupid actions by the police quite often. The decent coppers must squirm with embarassment on hearing some of them.
 Under the heading of "you could'nt make them up"  ;  This copper stepped into the road  a nd stopped a motorist, he said "this is a one way street,sir"  The motorist pointed-out that he was,infact, only going one way. On hearing this bit of logic the copper let him go
           
 joke
 

Didn't they arrest Jeremy after getting results back about the silencer ?

[Adam]

Thanks, wilf, and yes, another aspect that makes little sense. Did he really think that Julie would just quietly go away, knowing he had killed his entire family? She might go to the police - or she might blackmail him, both dangerous options!
Which leads to the next question: why wasn´t Julie really afraid for HER life? She tried to smother him!!! An alleged mass murderer!!!
Then, after they split up, she let Jeremy and Brett Collins help her move her belongings when she changed address. Rather careless of her!
The truth is, she wasn´t afraid of Jeremy, not the least bit. She knows he never killed anybody!

Why would she be afraid of Jeremy ? They were going out together. He did not hate her as she was not making him work 14 hour farm days.

[Adam]

Alias I have often wondered if Jeremy and his Defence team were too complacent and did not think for one moment he would be convicted.  No forensic evidence to link him to the crime scene and maybe they thought the prosecutions evidence was so weak it would not convict.  I have always thought that if your Defence thinks you are Guilty they will do their utmost to have you found not guilty.  It is all a big mystery to me how all this happened and obviously two members of the Jury were not convinced one more and he would have walked free.

The defence team knew from the start it was going to be a very difficult case to win.

The prosecition evidence was very strong. Which is why the judges summing up favoured them.

Stan Jones was not surprised it was a majority verdict. Jeremy is smart, well spoken & handsome. Not like a murderer at all.

[Adam]

In my opinion, Jeremy´s defence team was appallingly bad. I don´t know why they did such a poor job, but one important factor is that they may not have believed him in the first place. After all, his entire living family was AGAINST HIM. Mostly people have their own family members as a strong support team; what Jeremy had was a family that worked overtime to get the shovel under him.
That automatically makes you look bad in other people´s eyes - if you don´t think far enough and take into consideration the "cuckoo" aspect and how the family begrudged him and Sheila their upbringing in THEIR family.
This is very tragic, and YES, Jeremy was incredibly unlucky.

Why was Jeremys very expensive team 'appallingly bad'. They had the excellent David Napley. If he couldn't get Jeremy off no one could.

[Caroline]

Adam! This thread IS NOT for your critique!! It is for people to express why they believe Jeremy is guilty or innocent. Either just state your reasons or post in another thread - you're NOT going to sabotage this one!! By the way, you don't need to keep quoting the same post - you just need to quote it once and if you think of something else relating to the same post, just modify it!! There are no prizes for the number of posts you make. If you're not sure how to use the forum, there is a help file or you can ask!!

[susan]

Adam the prosecution's evidence was weak and the Defence suspected this as they knew no actual forensic evidence existed.  Bet had the late Taff Jones taken the stand you would have seen a different outcome to this farsical trial. The trial was based on hearsay and gossip and gossip is usually taken in the wrong context and cannot be relied on.

[susan]

Adam your posts are pure conjecture and hearsay and have no credence whatsoever.  I keep asking you to convince me of Jeremy Bamber's guilt by giving me concrete evidence not you take on this i.e. Sheila was cowering in the corner the only way you would know that is if you were there and we know you were not even born then.

[susan]

Morning haughton

the police only believed Julie because it suited them to do so I would have thought she had been primed well and good before the trial IMO.

[lookout]

Not forgetting,that JM HAD to work with the police whether she liked it or not because she was granted immunity from HER crimes,,and she also stood to gain thousands for being on their side. A form of blackmail in my books !

[Jane]

Not forgetting,that JM HAD to work with the police whether she liked it or not because she was granted immunity from HER crimes,,and she also stood to gain thousands for being on their side. A form of blackmail in my books !

Yes Lookout, whilst there are those who keep harping on about her dignified silence over the years, it may well be that enough of a reminder to to keep her mouth shut is the thought of having got out of a sticky situation by the skin of her teeth and the course her life may have taken had she NOT.

[lookout]

Yes Lookout, whilst there are those who keep harping on about her dignified silence over the years, it may well be that enough of a reminder to to keep her mouth shut is the thought of having got out of a sticky situation by the skin of her teeth and the course her life may have taken had she NOT.

Indeed,April,,EVERYONE here was thinking about themselves,their own backs and their futures,whatever happened,,at the expense of a poor sod who was to spend time " keeping out of their way !"

[susan]

Morning april/lookout  Julie has to keep a dignified silence it is difficult to tell the same story twice.

[Jane]

Morning april/lookout  Julie has to keep a dignified silence it is difficult to tell the same story twice.

 Susan HELLO And the moment Julie starts talking, OTHER people are likely to start thinking and Julie's family still live not a million miles fro where it all happened. There may well be something here about her not wanting to rock the boat for them.................................AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

[susan]

April quite right "let sleeping dogs lie" also she has a family to consider now and all her charity work to take into account..

[lookout]

Morning april/lookout  Julie has to keep a dignified silence it is difficult to tell the same story twice.

Morning Susan,,yes,liars have to have brilliant memories over the years,,but the fact that they all say the same thing,that they'll " live in fear " if Jeremy is released is to do with their consciences,,and not the fact that he'd committed any crime. This is their " ace card " that has been continually played since Jeremy has been imprisoned,,and as such,have convinced themselves and everyone else that he remains a danger. On the contrary,,it's people like them who are a danger,,as well as those criminals who aren't locked up. We have at least one reported murder every week,,which gives you an idea of how many dangerous people that ARE walking our streets.
The fear of the relatives is unfounded and they're just using it as an excuse. I wish they'd all had a polygraph test !