Further developments regarding phone calls:

[grahameb]

Jeremy got home after 10pm. He was tired after a 14 hour day. He phoned Julie, watched a bit of telly and then slept like a log.

Unluckily on this night he remembered to turn the answer machine off. For some reason.

Perhaps he was one of these people who never used his answering machine and so it was permanently off?

[lookout]

Perhaps he was one of these people who never used his answering machine and so it was permanently off?

True,Grahame,,as everyone knew where he was in the daytime and once in his home,,there'd be no need anyway.

[grahameb]

True,Grahame,,as everyone knew where he was in the daytime and once in his home,,there'd be no need anyway.

Also there were no witnesses to put him either on the way to WHF or at WHF.

[Adam]

There has been lots of developments since I posted my 19 reasons/facts why Neville would not phone Jeremy.

The WHF phones were in strange locations. The bedroom phone was plugged in the kitchen socket. The kitchen phone hidden under newspapers although it was in working order. There had been a storm a few weeks earlier, but why had the bedroom or even the kitchen phone not been put upstairs ? This was discussed in court, the prosecution claiming Jeremy re arranged the phones to explain Neville in the kitchen.

Jeremy told the police he watched TV until a certain time. Before going to bed. Although what he claimed to watch did not tally with the programme times. Did he really go to bed ?

Jeremy had an answering machine. However no message was left by Neville. Jeremy would certainly not have woken up, got up & got downstairs before Neville left a message. Answering machines would have been left on 24/7 in 1985, just as they are now. Not turned off and on. If the answering machine was really turned off, how long would Neville have realistically waited for until he got an answer ? Jeremy was in a deep sleep.

Three witnesses have said they were woken by a phone call from Jeremy.  This was at 3.00am. Or even earlier. At least 20 minutes before the police were phoned & more importantly before Jeremy got his call from Neville.  This contradicts Jeremys claim that he was awoken by Nevilles call. Jeremy himself intially said he phoned Julie before phoning the police. When asked why he phoned Julie, Jeremy said 'No comment'.

Jeremy took time to look for a number of a police station miles away. Rather than dial 999. When asked why he did not dial 999, he said it did not occur to him. He asked them to pick him up, probably aware there journey goes near his cottage, giving him an alibi of sorts. When this request was refused,  he arrived after the police, looking very smartly dressed according to the police.

Jeremy has never said what Sheila could have been doing when Neville phoned him. It has also come to light that his supporters are also not able to do this. None of the recent answers were credible. The word 'crazy' suggests Sheila was firing bullets. In that case there was no time to make phone calls. However if she was not firing bullets what exactly was 'crazy' & why leave Sheila alone with a gun ?

This all points to Jeremys guilt. And also points to the phone call from Jeremy to the police being a last minute decision to explain Neville being in the kitchen.

[Jan]

 

I don't answer posts that are rubbish

[Caroline]

I have merged this topic with another phone call thread in which the same points are mentioned by Adam. You don't need to keep making new threads to discuss issues for which threads already exist (Adam). 

[Adam]

Hopefully people will respond to the post.

The facts are deeply incriminating for Jeremy.

[lookout]

Hopefully people will respond to the post.

The facts are deeply incriminating for Jeremy.

I'll respond with one word------------cobblers !

[lookout]

The police,by their very nature,are nearly always suspicious of people in general,,so it was of no surprise that they'd pointed out how calm Jeremy was when they'd arrived at WHF. Did it not occur to them that Jeremy wouldn't have had the slightest idea as to what may,or may not have happened ? No,,they had him down as the killer.Yeah ! So after slaughtering the family,,and the place looking like a bloodbath inside,,Jeremy is going to be calmly sitting in the car talking to the police ?

What didn't take place in that courtroom was the " psychology " of each individual,,least of all Sheila,,in which to work out who would have been responsible and capable of murder.

[wilf]

Hopefully people will respond to the post.

The facts are deeply incriminating for Jeremy.

people have been responding to your posts with theories ideas and oppinions very few you seem to consider but just dismiss out of hand quoting as fact ideas that are just ideas. this case is bedeviled by the shoddy police investigation and lack of forensic facts. we would all like to know the truth but
with what WE KNOW that truth, as much as we can find out, will need clear reasoned rational debate to be brought to light.

wilf

[grahameb]

Hopefully people will respond to the post.

The facts are deeply incriminating for Jeremy.

garrulous young man.

[lookout]

The police,by their very nature,are nearly always suspicious of people in general,,so it was of no surprise that they'd pointed out how calm Jeremy was when they'd arrived at WHF. Did it not occur to them that Jeremy wouldn't have had the slightest idea as to what may,or may not have happened ? No,,they had him down as the killer.Yeah ! So after slaughtering the family,,and the place looking like a bloodbath inside,,Jeremy is going to be calmly sitting in the car talking to the police ?

What didn't take place in that courtroom was the " psychology " of each individual,,least of all Sheila,,in which to work out who would have been responsible and capable of murder.

C'mon,know-all,,answer as to why you think Jeremy remained calm after allegedly tearing round the farmhouse shooting everything that moved,,,apart from a dog yapping at his ankles every step of the way ?  Which,by the way had bitten him in the past,,so why were there no bite marks on Jeremy,,or marks of any kind after his " ordeal " ?  Hawkeye,JM knew there were no marks on his body,as soon after,,she'd scrutinised his bare skin and " reported back " on it.
Don't you think that Neville would have tried confronting his son ( with a backhander ) if he'd been faced with him,rather than his daughter ? Had that been the case,then there WOULD have been tell-tale signs of a fight/struggle ? However,,because it was the daughter,Neville thought on the lines that you don't hit,or attack a woman,and this is the way that Jeremy was brought up,,so why would he take it upon himself to annihilate all his family ?
Nope,,it wasn't Jeremy who murdered his family ! I worked this out in 1985 ! I'm 100% towards him being innocent . The same as I have been with a lot of others who've suffered injustice's.

[Caroline]

There has been lots of developments since I posted my 19 reasons/facts why Neville would not phone Jeremy.

The WHF phones were in strange locations. The bedroom phone was plugged in the kitchen socket. The kitchen phone hidden under newspapers although it was in working order. There had been a storm a few weeks earlier, but why had the bedroom or even the kitchen phone not been put upstairs ? This was discussed in court, the prosecution claiming Jeremy re arranged the phones to explain Neville in the kitchen.

Jeremy told the police he watched TV until a certain time. Before going to bed. Although what he claimed to watch did not tally with the programme times. Did he really go to bed ?

Jeremy had an answering machine. However no message was left by Neville. Jeremy would certainly not have woken up, got up & got downstairs before Neville left a message. Answering machines would have been left on 24/7 in 1985, just as they are now. Not turned off and on. If the answering machine was really turned off, how long would Neville have realistically waited for until he got an answer ? Jeremy was in a deep sleep.

Three witnesses have said they were woken by a phone call from Jeremy.  This was at 3.00am. Or even earlier. At least 20 minutes before the police were phoned & more importantly before Jeremy got his call from Neville.  This contradicts Jeremys claim that he was awoken by Nevilles call. Jeremy himself intially said he phoned Julie before phoning the police. When asked why he phoned Julie, Jeremy said 'No comment'.

Jeremy took time to look for a number of a police station miles away. Rather than dial 999. When asked why he did not dial 999, he said it did not occur to him. He asked them to pick him up, probably aware there journey goes near his cottage, giving him an alibi of sorts. When this request was refused,  he arrived after the police, looking very smartly dressed according to the police.

Jeremy has never said what Sheila could have been doing when Neville phoned him. It has also come to light that his supporters are also not able to do this. None of the recent answers were credible. The word 'crazy' suggests Sheila was firing bullets. In that case there was no time to make phone calls. However if she was not firing bullets what exactly was 'crazy' & why leave Sheila alone with a gun ?

This all points to Jeremys guilt. And also points to the phone call from Jeremy to the police being a last minute decision to explain Neville being in the kitchen.

Developments? Where? This is simply you regurgitating the same post, time and time again ....... You have not added ANY food for thought the entire time you have been here - nothing that would make someone consider their position (whatever that may be). You know nothing about the members here - you didn't even know that NGB was chief admin. There are hundreds of threads that people have contributed to (both guilty and innocent supporters) that you haven't even bothered to read (initially saying you couldn't be bothered), people who are a sight more knowledgeable than you (which wouldn't be difficult).

You have again mentioned the arrangement of the phones when you have been told (and it's well documented for any one who can be bothered to properly research it) that June preferred the dial type phone. Just because there is no message on the answer phone doesn't mean there was no call and it is ridiculous to claim to know what Jeremy would or wouldn't do or at what level of sleep he was in at the time! The residents at the flat ALL gave different timings in the beginning so they actually contradict themselves!! And how in gods name would he know what Sheila 'might' be doing - you keep asking this question as though it's the key to everything but as it can never be answered with ANY degree of certainty and the number of possibilities are infinite, the point is completely MOOT! Just like most of what you say.

[Roch]

Mason Doyle has studied court transcripts,statements etc and has also interviewed many people connected with the case,including members of EP. He has also been interviewing JB for the purpose of the book. So we can assume it will be factual then? And more up to date than Wilkes. So,once published,we can all quote from the new book then as being the gospel truth. Fantastic! I look forward to it.

My thoughts exactly and have been for a while.  There'll be some fun to be had a quoting when that book comes out.  I'm pretty sure it will be a warts n all account so I'm sure there'll be something there for the guilters to focus on also.

In the meantime and on topic, let us quote from Lomax Page 126 instead:

Ann Eaton's pencil written note card, not disclosed to the defence at trial:

Stan Jones talked to Julie about the phone call. Julie said her flatmate [Helen Eaton] said 3.30 am

[Jan]

My thoughts exactly and have been for a while.  There'll be some fun to be had a quoting when that book comes out.  I'm pretty sure it will be a warts n all account so I'm sure there'll be something there for the guilters to focus on also.

In the meantime and on topic, let us quote from Lomax Page 126 instead:

Ann Eaton's pencil written note card, not disclosed to the defence at trial:

Stan Jones talked to Julie about the phone call. Julie said her flatmate [Helen Eaton] said 3.30 am

exactly - I wonder whilst the police were interviewing JB it seemed so important to try and "twist" the times? As far as I can see the only time JB doubted his own timings and got confused was when the police said they could "prove" the times of the calls and  it was not as per his OWS. At that point I think he commented that it was a good thing as they could prove his fathers call. I understand this is a police tactic to try and intimidate the witness into changing their story , but why would it suit them to have all the times changed? Was it just to make him look callous if he had phoned Julie before EP?


The original times were I think 3.10 NB phones JB - then he tries to all him back and then when no reply is still trying to think what to do and then phones the police - they seem to take an age to do anything - then 3.30  according to JB and JM OWS he phones JM just a very brief call and then gets in his car to meet EP as requested.   Why did those timings not suit EP ? why did hey seem to want to change them when they were interviewing him.