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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #210 on: March 19, 2014, 09:13:AM »
Adam heaven forbid that you suffer the same loss as Jeremy has. But watching the contradictory feelings running through your body at that time should make an interesting spectacle. For whilst professing so, you appear to have no feelings of compassion towards those who have really lost someone and absolutely no understanding as to the mixed thoughts and feelings such a tragedy might bring to such a person. For whilst you examine every tiny detail (with Wilkes of course taking most of the blame by leading on such gullible minds) you fail to see the wood for the trees. That is the grief felt by Jeremy for the loss of his whole family. Shame on you for having such an immature sense of reality.
Excellent post Gtahame, you have summed up Adam's attitude to the tragedy very fairly imo.

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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #211 on: March 19, 2014, 09:13:AM »
Adam heaven forbid that you suffer the same loss as Jeremy has. But watching the contradictory feelings running through your body at that time should make an interesting spectacle. For whilst professing so, you appear to have no feelings of compassion towards those who have really lost someone and absolutely no understanding as to the mixed thoughts and feelings such a tragedy might bring to such a person. For whilst you examine every tiny detail (with Wilkes of course taking most of the blame by leading on such gullible minds) you fail to see the wood for the trees. That is the grief felt by Jeremy for the loss of his whole family. Shame on you for having such an immature sense of reality.



Grahame, what a thoughtful and accurate observation of how Adam presents himself. If he is proud of the picture he paints of himself, one must assume that he is that person, non empathic, tunnel visioned, nit picking, thoughtless, one dimensional and having as much soul as a cardboard cutout. Why else would he judge a persons guilt by the amount, albeit, unknown, of the breakfast he consumed OR be gullible enough to believe the adjectives of the person who wrote it.

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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #212 on: March 19, 2014, 09:21:AM »
It is a novel. What is a novel you may ask? A novel someone described is a non fictional book with fiction written into it where facts are not available. That describes Wilkes' book.

It is a factual book of a real life event. Written by an investigative reporter.

Have you read it ? Whether you have or not, you will try to discredit it if any parts highlight Jeremys guilt. Just as you discredit Bob Woffinden, The Spectator, Mick Gradley & the red forum. The only thing you do not discredit is the totally biased Jeremy OS.
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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #213 on: March 19, 2014, 09:25:AM »
To me it seems quite clear that Jeremy did not plan to phone the police.

If everyone was shot while asleep in bed, no calls could have been made.

It was a decision made on the night after Neville got to the kitchen.

It was also the wrong decision & helped convict Jeremy. The judge was being diplomatic calling Nevilles call 'mysterious'. I call it ridiculous as my last thread showed there is no realistic situation where Neville would make the call.

« Last Edit: March 19, 2014, 09:30:AM by Adam »
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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #214 on: March 19, 2014, 09:43:AM »
It is a factual book of a real life event. Written by an investigative reporter.

Have you read it ? Whether you have or not, you will try to discredit it if any parts highlight Jeremys guilt. Just as you discredit Bob Woffinden, The Spectator, Mick Gradley & the red forum. The only thing you do not discredit is the totally biased Jeremy OS.
Hi Adam, I have read Wilkes' book and was pleasntly surprised thst it wasn"t nearly as biased as some quotes had lead me to believe. I have leant it to someone so cannot check quite what he wrote about breakfast but I am sure I have read in a statement on this forum that the police told Jeremy to eat because they were concerned for him. All he had to eat was 2 old slices of bacon, which he duly ate. I wonder if you have ever experienced the shock and confusion of one close family member dying and conclude you haven't ..... when my father died in his sleep my Mothrt had bteakfast and was laughing .... no she hadn't killed him, she had cared for him lovingly. Shock causes all kinds of protective emotions, sometimes for months or even years.
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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #215 on: March 19, 2014, 09:45:AM »
Great post Grahame. Very thought provoking and written with the feeling that could represent anyone who's lost their whole family under the same dreadful circumstances.

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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #216 on: March 19, 2014, 09:50:AM »
To me it seems quite clear that Jeremy did not plan to phone the police.
If everyone was shot while asleep in bed, no calls could have been made.
It was a decision made on the night after Neville got to the kitchen.
It was also the wrong decision & helped convict Jeremy. The judge was being diplomatic calling Nevilles call 'mysterious'. I call it ridiculous as my last thread showed there is no realistic situation where Neville would make the call.
Adam your rediculous posts and threads prove nothing. What a waste of time, all the hours you waste writing pointless posts trying to prove someone who has spent almost thirty years in prison is guilty. Why? Why?
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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #217 on: March 19, 2014, 09:52:AM »
Hi Adam, I have read Wilkes' book and was pleasntly surprised thst it wasn"t nearly as biased as some quotes had lead me to believe. I have leant it to someone so cannot check quite what he wrote about breakfast but I am sure I have read in a statement on this forum that the police told Jeremy to eat because they were concerned for him. All he had to eat was 2 old slices of bacon, which he duly ate. I wonder if you have ever experienced the shock and confusion of one close family member dying and conclude you haven't ..... when my father died in his sleep my Mothrt had bteakfast and was laughing .... no she hadn't killed him, she had cared for him lovingly. Shock causes all kinds of protective emotions, sometimes for months or even years.

Well the book said 'Jeremy annonced he was starving'.

If a police statement can be found saying they suggested Jeremy ate, then the book is wrong.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2014, 10:01:AM by Adam »
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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #218 on: March 19, 2014, 09:58:AM »
Adam your rediculous posts and threads prove nothing. What a waste of time, all the hours you waste writing pointless posts trying to prove someone who has spent almost thirty years in prison is guilty. Why? Why?

I do not have to prove he is guilty. That has already been proved.

However Jeremy is the only lifer still protesting his innocence. Blaming EP, Julie, the relatives , the judge,  Sheila etc. All with outlandish reasons. Which I find distasteful as I believe him guilty.

However a few people have been taken in, resulting in this forum being created which I like to discuss on.

Jeremys call to the police helped convict him. So it is interesting to discuss whether it was planned or a decision made on the night. I have just said it was a decision made on the night. Feel free to discuss.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2014, 10:00:AM by Adam »
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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #219 on: March 19, 2014, 10:09:AM »
Well the book said 'Jeremy annonced he was starving'.

If a police statement can be found saying they suggested Jeremy ate, then the book is wrong.



As it well may be as the author wasn't present and the picture he paints is unlikely to be accurate. It is also, like your own description of Jeremy almost salivating over it, is THOROUGHLY objectionable. Like Maggie, I've been given to understand that it was the police who suggested that Jeremy should eat something and all that could be found was a couple(?) of curled up rashers of bacon, but YOU have chosen to repeatedly push the point that he "happily" sat in front of the police and stuffed his face with a full breakfast, as your use of the word "hearty" is guaranteed to imply.

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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #220 on: March 19, 2014, 10:09:AM »
Hi Adam, I have read Wilkes' book and was pleasntly surprised thst it wasn"t nearly as biased as some quotes had lead me to believe. I have leant it to someone so cannot check quite what he wrote about breakfast but I am sure I have read in a statement on this forum that the police told Jeremy to eat because they were concerned for him. All he had to eat was 2 old slices of bacon, which he duly ate. I wonder if you have ever experienced the shock and confusion of one close family member dying and conclude you haven't ..... when my father died in his sleep my Mothrt had bteakfast and was laughing .... no she hadn't killed him, she had cared for him lovingly. Shock causes all kinds of protective emotions, sometimes for months or even years.





Hi Maggie,,I think death hits harder as you get older because you've learned to appreciate who that person was and how much was done for you if they'd been a parent/spouse.
When you're young,like Jeremy was at the time,,and hadn't learned the true understanding of death/dying,then grieving/mourning takes on an entirely different stance. He would have been confused from the start,wondering how he should act or behave and because of the business side of things too,he'd have to remain steadfast and clear-headed,which is difficult to master when you've lost all your family.
Jeremy had been ridiculed and criticised when he allegedly sat in his fathers' office at WHF,feet on the desk calling himself " the boss ". Whether he did do this or not,,has no bearing on the case,nor did a lot of his other alleged modes of behaviour which certainly doesn't point to him being a murderer.
Then for his extended family to turn their backs on him was despicable,at a time when support was in short supply for him.

No two people are alike when it comes to grieving,,nor is there a right or wrong way of doing so,and it's not up to anyone to dictate how a person should behave. Thank goodness there are those of us who are individually-minded.

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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #221 on: March 19, 2014, 10:19:AM »
I do not have to prove he is guilty. That has already been proved.

However Jeremy is the only lifer still protesting his innocence. Blaming EP, Julie, the relatives , the judge,  Sheila etc. All with outlandish reasons. Which I find distasteful as I believe him guilty.

However a few people have been taken in, resulting in this forum being created which I like to discuss on.

Jeremys call to the police helped convict him. So it is interesting to discuss whether it was planned or a decision made on the night. I have just said it was a decision made on the night. Feel free to discuss.



Unless you have ever been a member of a family in which you were disliked by ALL your relatives because they believed you'd get what was rightfully theirs, you can have NO idea what it would feel like. Bear in mind that it was THAT family, not the police who pushed Jeremy's guilt. With Sheila and the twins gone, the bulk, including any monies owed by the family, was Jeremy's. With Jeremy out of the way, it was all returned to where they thought it belonged and they are comfortable and debt free. Those who believe Jeremy guilty see that money as reason enough for him to kill. Those of us who remain unconvinced see that same amount as being reason enough for others to push for him to be convicted.
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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #222 on: March 19, 2014, 10:26:AM »
It is a factual book of a real life event. Written by an investigative reporter.

Have you read it ? Whether you have or not, you will try to discredit it if any parts highlight Jeremys guilt. Just as you discredit Bob Woffinden, The Spectator, Mick Gradley & the red forum. The only thing you do not discredit is the totally biased Jeremy OS.
That which you judge totally biased is in fact totally fact and has the documents to back them up. You unfortunately tend rather to believe the biased thoughts of a novelist. The character of his writing prove that he is a novelist. He is aiming to set people's emotions aflame. A true investigative journalist keeps tightly to the facts without giving his (however disguised) opinions about the subject matter. You on the other hand are one of those gullible people who hang on his every word.
As for Woffinden. I have already given my views on him. But kust for the record I will say it again. If this man can spend all those years defending Bamber, then changes his mind. Then this means that everything that he has written about him in the past was a waste of our time reading it. Also a man who can suddenly change his mind on something after si long a time, who's to say he will not change his mind again? Conclusion: A thoroughly unreliable man. In other words, what does he say that causes us to believe him? Answer: Nothing.
But of course unfortunately it appears that you yourself are not in possession of a free thinking and descerning mind. So whatever I write will fall upon blind eyes and whatever I say will land upon deaf ears.

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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #223 on: March 19, 2014, 10:28:AM »


As it well may be as the author wasn't present and the picture he paints is unlikely to be accurate. It is also, like your own description of Jeremy almost salivating over it, is THOROUGHLY objectionable. Like Maggie, I've been given to understand that it was the police who suggested that Jeremy should eat something and all that could be found was a couple(?) of curled up rashers of bacon, but YOU have chosen to repeatedly push the point that he "happily" sat in front of the police and stuffed his face with a full breakfast, as your use of the word "hearty" is guaranteed to imply.

Wilkes would have interviewed the two policemen present. He also interviewed Jeremy.

However if you can find a police statement...
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Further developments regarding phone calls:
« Reply #224 on: March 19, 2014, 10:29:AM »
Well the book said 'Jeremy annonced he was starving'.

If a police statement can be found saying they suggested Jeremy ate, then the book is wrong.
Now that just proves how far Wilkes has strayed from the actual facts doesn't it? He had completely misinterpreted the truth.