Further developments regarding phone calls:

[grahameb]

I am confused.

Neville got attacked & shot downstairs. Ran upstairs. Then got shot 5 more times upstairs. Then ran downstairs again.

Well admitting that you are is the first step towards recovery as they say.

[susan]

Ha Ha Grahame that was a brilliant post and you have made my day as usual

[susan]

Alias a folded newspaper is a good tool for swatting irritants

[Jan]

Well admitting that you are is the first step towards recovery as they say.

    he is running himself in circles and hopefully will soon fall down the holes he is so fond of .

[susan]

Alias it is possible to put somebody on ignore but if you did that just think of the laughs you would miss

[Alias]

Alias a folded newspaper is a good tool for swatting irritants

I am afraid he cannot feel me swatting away at my computer-screen.

[Alias]

Alias it is possible to put somebody on ignore but if you did that just think of the laughs you would miss

Do you know how to do it? Please tell me, I want him out of my way.

Never mind, I figured it out. Had to go to MY profile to do it, not his. Now a breath of relief!

[Caroline]

This is a ridiculous question! For those who think Jeremy is guilty 'no, the call to police wouldn't have been a 'last minute decision' because apparently he 'planned' the whole thing and being home was part of his alibi. For those who think he's innocent, yes, it was a last minute decision because it was the result of a phone call from his father in the early hours of the morning!! Where is the debate?

[Jan]

This is a ridiculous question! For those who think Jeremy is guilty 'no, the call to police wouldn't have been a 'last minute decision' because apparently he 'planned' the whole thing and being home was part of his alibi. For those who think he's innocent, yes, it was a last minute decision because it was the result of a phone call from his father in the early hours of the morning!! Where is the debate?

debate? discuss? consider? open mind?

I am afraid these are not words in the "Dictionary Adamitus"

[Adam]

Interesting article on the phones:


According to the prosecution the phone call that Bamber claimed to have received from his father had clearly been intended to establish Bamber’s whereabouts at the time of the crime, placing him away from the scene and also placing the blame firmly with Sheila. Yet if it was intended as an alibi, the phone call – besides narrowing guilt to either himself or Sheila – actually left Bamber open to several difficult questions.

If Sheila had indeed gone berserk with a gun, wounding Nevill and June Bamber in bed, why had Nevill Bamber left his wife alone, at Sheila Caffell’s mercy, to go to the kitchen and telephone Jeremy ? And why, having reached downstairs to the phone, would he call Jeremy instead of dialling 999 ? It was suggested that Nevill Bamber would not have wanted to involve the police with the family’s problems, though this would seem unlikely, especially as Jeremy was not close enough to Sheila to be the most obvious person to pacify her.

Furthermore, Jeremy Bamber told the police that his father’s call had ended abruptly (“the line went dead”) and that when he phoned his father back “it was engaged each time”. Would it technically have been possible for Jeremy Bamber to dial out and call the police if his phone was still connected to his father’s line? And, if the telephone was, as Bamber said, engaged, who else did his father phone ?

According to a police statement, the British Telecom telephonist on duty that night said that when she was asked by the police to check the line, she could “tell that the receiver was off the hook… I could hear a dog barking.”Shortly before police entered the house, the telephonist was asked to check again. “The line was still open. The only thing I could hear was a very slight moving sound.”In order for this statement to be true, Nevill Bamber must have abruptly ended his call to his son, and called someone else, who was never identified and never came forward. If he simply dropped the receiver while talking to his son, Jeremy Bamber would not have been able to get a line and phone the police.

[Adam]

This is a ridiculous question! For those who think Jeremy is guilty 'no, the call to police wouldn't have been a 'last minute decision' because apparently he 'planned' the whole thing and being home was part of his alibi. For those who think he's innocent, yes, it was a last minute decision because it was the result of a phone call from his father in the early hours of the morning!! Where is the debate?

What is to discuss is whether the fight with Neville persuaded Jeremy to phone the police ?

[Adam]

debate? discuss? consider? open mind?

I am afraid these are not words in the "Dictionary Adamitus"

That hurts.

[Adam]

If the kitchen phone was working, why was it unplugged & underneath newspapers ?

The bedroom phone was working, so why was that not in the bedroom ?

There had been storms several weeks earlier & phones had been fixed & returned to WHF. If so why not just take the bedroom phone back upstairs to the bedroom ? There is no reason to plug it into the kitchen phone socket as the kitchen phone was already working.

The phone locations were mysterious enough to be discussed at trial.

[Jane]

Interesting article on the phones:


According to the prosecution the phone call that Bamber claimed to have received from his father had clearly been intended to establish Bamber’s whereabouts at the time of the crime, placing him away from the scene and also placing the blame firmly with Sheila. Yet if it was intended as an alibi, the phone call – besides narrowing guilt to either himself or Sheila – actually left Bamber open to several difficult questions.

If Sheila had indeed gone berserk with a gun, wounding Nevill and June Bamber in bed, why had Nevill Bamber left his wife alone, at Sheila Caffell’s mercy, to go to the kitchen and telephone Jeremy ? And why, having reached downstairs to the phone, would he call Jeremy instead of dialling 999 ? It was suggested that Nevill Bamber would not have wanted to involve the police with the family’s problems, though this would seem unlikely, especially as Jeremy was not close enough to Sheila to be the most obvious person to pacify her.

Furthermore, Jeremy Bamber told the police that his father’s call had ended abruptly (“the line went dead”) and that when he phoned his father back “it was engaged each time”. Would it technically have been possible for Jeremy Bamber to dial out and call the police if his phone was still connected to his father’s line? And, if the telephone was, as Bamber said, engaged, who else did his father phone ?

According to a police statement, the British Telecom telephonist on duty that night said that when she was asked by the police to check the line, she could “tell that the receiver was off the hook… I could hear a dog barking.”Shortly before police entered the house, the telephonist was asked to check again. “The line was still open. The only thing I could hear was a very slight moving sound.”In order for this statement to be true, Nevill Bamber must have abruptly ended his call to his son, and called someone else, who was never identified and never came forward. If he simply dropped the receiver while talking to his son, Jeremy Bamber would not have been able to get a line and phone the police.

Perhaps this will help to salve the hurt In your suggestion that Nevill may have phoned someone else, you raise an interesting point. I think it's been fairly well established that calls in 1985 couldn't be traced so there would have been no need for anyone to come forward and admit to having received the call, IF, in fact they had ever heard a phone ringing OR heard it and chose to ignore it OR it stopped ringing before they got to it.

Just an aside, I really don't believe that Nevill, under those circumstances, would have taken the time to intellectualize the relationship between Jeremy and his sister. In any case what HE may have believed could have been TOTALLY different  from what Jeremy FELT.

[susan]

Adam nothing sinister in the phones June preferred the phone from the bedroom and that is why it was in the kitchen as that is where the phone was used the most.