foster care.

[Jan]

it does mention in the book adoption. But perhaps these were just general discussions that they wanted to run past Sheila at that time. Who knows how she would take that news.

[lookout]

June was betwixt and between because her own health wasn't 100% she wouldn't have been able to have dealt with adoption in the way she'd wanted to. Her illness brought on with the worry of Sheila and her inability to look after the twins would have got to her.
If that suggestion had been mentioned at supper then it would have been no wonder Sheila went beserk.

[Jan]

June was betwixt and between because her own health wasn't 100% she wouldn't have been able to have dealt with adoption in the way she'd wanted to. Her illness brought on with the worry of Sheila and her inability to look after the twins would have got to her.
If that suggestion had been mentioned at supper then it would have been no wonder Sheila went beserk.

I would think it would entirely depend on her state of mind at the time . She could have thought she would have to live at WhF or close area to see them more ? She could have been happy they were not going to be with Colin because of his changing girlfriends?

Personally  I think if Sheila did it then somehow she felt betrayed by her father because he did seem to be the only stable thing in her life and that triggered something .

[Jane]

June was betwixt and between because her own health wasn't 100% she wouldn't have been able to have dealt with adoption in the way she'd wanted to. Her illness brought on with the worry of Sheila and her inability to look after the twins would have got to her.
If that suggestion had been mentioned at supper then it would have been no wonder Sheila went beserk.

Pipe dreams. June fantasizing about "Mummying" the twins -at her age and in her delicate mental health- has as much clarity of reason as Sheila dreaming of her and Colin getting together and starting a new life with the twins in Canada with Christine.......................but we must all be allowed our dreams.

[Jan]

Pipe dreams. June fantasizing about "Mummying" the twins -at her age and in her delicate mental health- has as much clarity of reason as Sheila dreaming of her and Colin getting together and starting a new life with the twins in Canada with Christine.......................but we must all be allowed our dreams.

your post is not clear - you don't believe that june and Neville wanted the twins full time? or they did and it would not have worked?

[Jane]

your post is not clear - you don't believe that june and Neville wanted the twins full time? or they did and it would not have worked?

I think it very likely that June thought she could provide them with the kind of upbringing she believed correct and the discipline she may have felt they lacked. It may have been her dream to present two perfect children to the world.

[lookout]

Good job it was only a dream. I doubt Colin would have sanctioned that.
There must have been the mother of all rows that night.

[Jane]

Good job it was only a dream. I doubt Colin would have sanctioned that.
There must have been the mother of all rows that night.

He most undoubtedly wouldn't, but I'm only surmising that it WAS her dream, just like you're surmising the row.

[lookout]

He most undoubtedly wouldn't, but I'm only surmising that it WAS her dream, just like you're surmising the row.

I feel confident about the row though.

[Jan]

It does seem that both June and Neville were worried very worried about Sheila and that her medication was not the answer to her problems. The statements about her in the preceding days from various witnesses were varied to say the least . From being tired , depressed, vacant , weak - to being bright happy  and hopefull. Even on one day two witness statements were quite opposite. It was like they were about two different people.

[Jane]

I feel confident about the row though.

You can be as confident as you like but it won't make you right, only blind to what may be true.

[lookout]

It does seem that both June and Neville were worried very worried about Sheila and that her medication was not the answer to her problems. The statements about her in the preceding days from various witnesses were varied to say the least . From being tired , depressed, vacant , weak - to being bright happy  and hopefull. Even on one day two witness statements were quite opposite. It was like they were about two different people.

Sheila was two different people.

[Jane]

It does seem that both June and Neville were worried very worried about Sheila and that her medication was not the answer to her problems. The statements about her in the preceding days from various witnesses were varied to say the least . From being tired , depressed, vacant , weak - to being bright happy  and hopefull. Even on one day two witness statements were quite opposite. It was like they were about two different people.

If our moods were charted over a fortnight would we discover that we operated on, say a flat 5 out of 10, all the time? We wouldn't, and it's the same for many depressives. Unless they are bi-polar and have long periods at either end of the spectrum it's possible for them to raise the energy to -in layman's terms- to pull themselves together for short periods although doing so MAY have the effect of pulling them further down. During Sheila's last fortnight there were, I believe, only two recorded occasions on which she showed any spirit.

[Jan]

If our moods were charted over a fortnight would we discover that we operated on, say a flat 5 out of 10, all the time? We wouldn't, and it's the same for many depressives. Unless they are bi-polar and have long periods at either end of the spectrum it's possible for them to raise the energy to -in layman's terms- to pull themselves together for short periods although doing so MAY have the effect of pulling them further down. During Sheila's last fortnight there were, I believe, only two recorded occasions on which she showed any spirit.

you read CAL book?

[Steve_uk]

It's my view that June definitely wanted a larger role in her grandsons' lives-or rather control as she realized she had been too lax with Sheila and Jeremy in their day. My guess is that she was lining them up for public school when they reached a similar age to Jeremy and who knows how else their lives would have been mapped out had they lived. As it was June felt no compunction in interfering with the weekend plans of Colin and Jan and seemed to come and go from Moreshead Mansions as she pleased,with both Colin and Sheila not having the courage to gainsay her. June was also proposing to gift Sheila a quarterly allowance,but she always seemed to desire payment in kind and didn't understand that the twins needed love and a set routine at this stage of their lives and not the heavy hand of a dominatrix whose child-rearing skills left much to be desired.