foster care.

[Jane]

Monastry episode was a true account...

Yeah, like Noddy and Big Ears was a true account of their escapades in the woods. Someone pulled out, from the archives, a piece of BS with a letter heading. I wasn't expecting it to be such. I was expecting something definitive. What I got was something SO inarticulate and juvenile and a GCSE student could have written better. Added to which, none of it was true. It might have been MORE believable had the author(s) known better the geography of the area......................

................. Even when I accepted that the story was true, HOW Sheila got there had always bothered me. It isn't on any bus route. She couldn't drive. Jeremy had June's bike. NO person has come forward to say they gave her a lift there, BACK and there is no record of the Bambers calling the police because she'd gone missing, and as it's a walk of several miles, she'd have been missing for many hours. Strange, don't you think that she could manage to walk -and RUN!!- some 10/12 miles in total but was otherwise so lethargic she walked with difficulty.

Then there's the concocted story of a car running out of water and Neanderthals with threatening behaviour and guard dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the obligatory underlying suggestion of exorcisms/Satanic rites -Denis Wheatley still lives. The Greek Orthodox Community is open and welcoming. The suggestion that they are otherwise is highly offensive and can only come from someone with no moral compass.

[Caroline]

Yeah, like Noddy and Big Ears was a true account of their escapades in the woods. Someone pulled out, from the archives, a piece of BS with a letter heading. I wasn't expecting it to be such. I was expecting something definitive. What I got was something SO inarticulate and juvenile and a GCSE student could have written better. Added to which, none of it was true. It might have been MORE believable had the author(s) known better the geography of the area......................

................. Even when I accepted that the story was true, HOW Sheila got there had always bothered me. It isn't on any bus route. She couldn't drive. Jeremy had June's bike. NO person has come forward to say they gave her a lift there, BACK and there is no record of the Bambers calling the police because she'd gone missing, and as it's a walk of several miles, she'd have been missing for many hours. Strange, don't you think that she could manage to walk -and RUN!!- some 10/12 miles in total but was otherwise so lethargic she walked with difficulty.

Then there's the concocted story of a car running out of water and Neanderthals with threatening behaviour and guard dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the obligatory underlying suggestion of exorcisms/Satanic rites -Denis Wheatley still lives. The Greek Orthodox Community is open and welcoming. The suggestion that they are otherwise is highly offensive and can only come from someone with no moral compass.

It was inspired by the DaVinci Code which came out the same year as that email was written.

[Caroline]

Monastry episode was a true account...

It's clearly not, but how can you defend it when you were sent an email from someone you didn't know? I think they were pulling your (or our) leg - big style!

[Jane]

It's clearly not, but how can you defend it when you were sent an email from someone you didn't know? I think they were pulling your (or our) leg - big style!

Ta for that, Caroline. It's good to know I'm not alone in thinking it a travesty. Soling the reputation of a Community that does nothing but good and making mockery of Sheila's illness, to what end?

[mike tesko]

Monastery at Tolleshunt Knights is only about 3.5 miles distance from white house farm, via blind lane and tracks, Sheila could have walked it in just over an hour, and ran it in about 1/2 an hour. She was seen twice on that occasion, once by a local delivery driver, who was making a delivery to the monastery, he saw her run away in the direction of blind lane, she was wailing and screaming obscenities. Secondly, a local man hid behind trees as Sheila came running in his direction from where the monastery is situated, along the same footpath. This took place on the day before the shootings, and fits in snugly  with Sheila's abusive attitude towards an electricity employee who came to the farmhouse to take a meter reading. On that occasion June Bamber intervened citing that Sheila was not very well because she had not been taking her medication. Later that same evening June did not attend her regular Tuesday evening bible class. Later that same evening Sheila did not speak to Pamela Boutflour on the telephone, in the build up to the shootings...

[mike tesko]

It's clearly not, but how can you defend it when you were sent an email from someone you didn't know? I visited the monastery myself and spoke with the witnesses, myself, so that puts paid to your nonsense regarding this matter... I think they were pulling your (or our) leg - big style!

[mike tesko]

Sheila was on a downward spiral, her condition took an irreversable turn for the worst on the evening of 6th August 1985...

[lookout]

Wherever Sheila darted off to she'd have been looking for solace in her troubled mind.

[mike tesko]

There is nothing more sure than Sheila being admonished over her inability to look after herself, let alone her two children with help from Social services, social workers, foster carers or foster parents, on that last evening alive on this earth. The sad truth is that she was not fit enough to look after self let alone look after her children as well. We now know that her parents must have known or been aware of the involvement of the agencies in the care and welfare of Sheila and the children regardless of claims made by relatives that neither Ralph nor June would agree to such involvement. For all we know the parents may have said to Sheila during that confrontational debate partly  witnessed by Jeremy himself, that first thing in the morning the parents were going to be contacting Social Services with a view to finding out what sort of help could they provide Sheila to look after her children, rather than they live with Colin full time. If the parents told Sheila this during the so called 'last supper', it would have had a devastating influence upon her mental state, she might have thought she had to do something to prevent it from happening, it could have taken her over the edge...

[Caroline]

I don't believe a word of it - the whole story is nonsense!

[mike tesko]

I don't believe a word of it - the whole story is nonsense!

believe what you want, but the monastery episode is true...

[Jane]

Monastery at Tolleshunt Knights is only about 3.5 miles distance from white house farm, via blind lane and tracks, Sheila could have walked it in just over an hour, and ran it in about 1/2 an hour. She was seen twice on that occasion, once by a local delivery driver, who was making a delivery to the monastery, he saw her run away in the direction of blind lane, she was wailing and screaming obscenities. Secondly, a local man hid behind trees as Sheila came running in his direction from where the monastery is situated, along the same footpath. This took place on the day before the shootings, and fits in snugly  with Sheila's abusive attitude towards an electricity employee who came to the farmhouse to take a meter reading. On that occasion June Bamber intervened citing that Sheila was not very well because she had not been taking her medication. Later that same evening June did not attend her regular Tuesday evening bible class. Later that same evening Sheila did not speak to Pamela Boutflour on the telephone, in the build up to the shootings...

And some. It has to be nearly 1 mile from WHF to the junction with Maldon Road which given how lethargic Sheila was, it would probably have taken her an hour to walk that far. With her gaitted walk, I imagine running would have been out of the question. Your nameless delivery man clearly is involved in some sort of fantasy involving Sheila because NOWHERE is what he has said documented. Let me be MORE explicit, I believe he was telling a tissue of lies. It may also be of interest for you to know that the Brothers and Sisters grow and raise everything they eat and walk to the local shops to buy what they can't. They don't indulge themselves in the luxury of having it delivered.

Sheila was clearly very busy the day prior to the shootings. She and her mother visited Tiptree to buy clothes for the boys and afterwards visited an elderly lady known to June. There has been no information of Sheila stopping off at the monastery, NOR have any of the Brothers spoken of a distressed woman being there. There has also been no statement from the nameless one who hid behind a tree and stories of Sheila wailing and screaming obscenities haven't been backed up by anyone else who knew her. Unless the electricity meter reader has a name, it's unlikely that any of HIS story is true, either. However, what IS correct is that June didn't attend her regular meeting which is hardly surprising given that she had three extra in the house to cater for.

It stands to reason, doesn't it, that if it's all fabrication, so, too, is the appalling and disrespectful BS contained in the communication from the alleged PI.

[Jane]

There is nothing more sure than Sheila being admonished over her inability to look after herself, let alone her two children with help from Social services, social workers, foster carers or foster parents, on that last evening alive on this earth. The sad truth is that she was not fit enough to look after self let alone look after her children as well. We now know that her parents must have known or been aware of the involvement of the agencies in the care and welfare of Sheila and the children regardless of claims made by relatives that neither Ralph nor June would agree to such involvement. For all we know the parents may have said to Sheila during that confrontational debate partly  witnessed by Jeremy himself, that first thing in the morning the parents were going to be contacting Social Services with a view to finding out what sort of help could they provide Sheila to look after her children, rather than they live with Colin full time. If the parents told Sheila this during the so called 'last supper', it would have had a devastating influence upon her mental state, she might have thought she had to do something to prevent it from happening, it could have taken her over the edge...

The above shows reasoned thinking and is far more likely to be accepted as true that the BS sent to you by someone with no sense of decency.

[susan]

And some. It has to be nearly 1 mile from WHF to the junction with Maldon Road which given how lethargic Sheila was, it would probably have taken her an hour to walk that far. With her gaitted walk, I imagine running would have been out of the question. Your nameless delivery man clearly is involved in some sort of fantasy involving Sheila because NOWHERE is what he has said documented. Let me be MORE explicit, I believe he was telling a tissue of lies. It may also be of interest for you to know that the Brothers and Sisters grow and raise everything they eat and walk to the local shops to buy what they can't. They don't indulge themselves in the luxury of having it delivered.

Sheila was clearly very busy the day prior to the shootings. She and her mother visited Tiptree to buy clothes for the boys and afterwards visited an elderly lady known to June. There has been no information of Sheila stopping off at the monastery, NOR have any of the Brothers spoken of a distressed woman being there. There has also been no statement from the nameless one who hid behind a tree and stories of Sheila wailing and screaming obscenities haven't been backed up by anyone else who knew her. Unless the electricity meter reader has a name, it's unlikely that any of HIS story is true, either. However, what IS correct is that June didn't attend her regular meeting which is hardly surprising given that she had three extra in the house to cater for.

It stands to reason, doesn't it, that if it's all fabrication, so, too, is the appalling and disrespectful BS contained in the communication from the alleged PI.

Jane that is an excellent account of Sheila's whereabouts on the day before the murders and I like you think it is all fabrication about the man behind the tree and the electricity man.

[mike tesko]

And some. It has to be nearly 1 mile from WHF to the junction with Maldon Road which given how lethargic Sheila was, it would probably have taken her an hour to walk that far. With her gaitted walk, I imagine running would have been out of the question. Your nameless delivery man clearly is involved in some sort of fantasy involving Sheila because NOWHERE is what he has said documented. Let me be MORE explicit, I believe he was telling a tissue of lies. It may also be of interest for you to know that the Brothers and Sisters grow and raise everything they eat and walk to the local shops to buy what they can't. They don't indulge themselves in the luxury of having it delivered.

Sheila was clearly very busy the day prior to the shootings. She and her mother visited Tiptree to buy clothes for the boys and afterwards visited an elderly lady known to June. There has been no information of Sheila stopping off at the monastery, NOR have any of the Brothers spoken of a distressed woman being there. There has also been no statement from the nameless one who hid behind a tree and stories of Sheila wailing and screaming obscenities haven't been backed up by anyone else who knew her. Unless the electricity meter reader has a name, it's unlikely that any of HIS story is true, either. However, what IS correct is that June didn't attend her regular meeting which is hardly surprising given that she had three extra in the house to cater for.

It stands to reason, doesn't it, that if it's all fabrication, so, too, is the appalling and disrespectful BS contained in the communication from the alleged PI.

Align yellow coloured STARS to get route taken by Sheila Caffell from the monastery at Tolleshunt Knights, back to white house farm, at Tolleshunt D'arcy, running, screaming, wailing, swearing, crying...