Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...

[mike tesko]

Lab' item No.22 silencer, SBJ/1 (took to Lab' on 13th August 1985)
Handed to police by Peter Eaton, on 12th August 1985

Lab' item No.23 silencer,  DB/1 (sent to Lab' on 30th August 1985)

Lab' item No.?? silencer, DRB/1 (sent to Lab' on 20th September 1985)
Handed to police by Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985

[mike tesko]

The crucial blood and paint evidence cannot be associated with the Bamber family owned silencer, in this respect the court which tried Bamber for these five murders, has been deceived...

[mike tesko]

The relatives have obviously been discussing very recently the misuse of these silencers which helped to secure the convictions for murder against Jeremy. They must surely now know that the game is up, and have been discussing amongst themselves how to try and justify what they did, by pinning the blame on the deceased, Robert Boutflour, who is obviously going to be made into the scape goat for tampering with the silencer, blood and paint evidence...

The truth is going to be catching up with all of them, they can blame whoever they like, the games up for them, so much so, that even their supporters are now having to concede that somebody messed around with the silencer evidence...

[mike tesko]

I think the Boutflour and Eaton relatives originally tried to implicate Anthony Pargeter in the shootings, hence why they handed over his silencer (SBJ/1) to police, on 12th August 1985...

[nugnug]

The relatives have obviously been discussing very recently the misuse of these silencers which helped to secure the convictions for murder against Jeremy. They must surely now know that the game is up, and have been discussing amongst themselves how to try and justify what they did, by pinning the blame on the deceased, Robert Boutflour, who is obviously going to be made into the scape goat for tampering with the silencer, blood and paint evidence...

The truth is going to be catching up with all of them, they can blame whoever they like, the games up for them, so much so, that even their supporters are now having to concede that somebody messed around with the silencer evidence...

oh theirs nothing im more certain of.

[bigdaveglasgow75]

May I just add something here without the fear of being contradicted. Bobby Boutflour, the father of Robert Boutflour was a Freemason. Now as it turns out his father before him was a Freemason as well. This I can confirm because I have seen the book that was written by Bobby Boutflour.
Now this kind of membership is usually passed down to the son. So I can state almost without contradiction that R. W. Boutflour was a Mason as well.
Now why is this of significance? Because RWB was still of the old school of Freemasonry that dictated that one Mason must defend another Mason even if that other Freemason was outside the law. Not only that, but some of these old fellers believed that in certain circumstances that the end justifies the means. A bit like, in fact much like "Noble Cause Corruption".

grahame.there is not a heredity membership of freemasons.it is however quite common for sons to join.if theyre fathers are masons.as for masons backing each other up.if one breaks the law.they all do that.in most cases.but it is up to the individual masons conscience.grahame.

[mike tesko]

Silencer was dismantled twice and rebuilt before the rebuilt silencer was recorded in a general examination record at the lab' , dated the 26th September 1985. In the there's only one silencer scenario, 'Ron' Cook dismantled it on the 29th August 1985, and rebuilt it before sending it along to the lab' on the following day, for the attention of the ballistic expert who dismantled it again on the 10th September 1985, discovering the loose flake of blood trapped between baffle plates 1 and 2 - then the ballistic expert rebuilt the silencer and handed the rebuilt silencer over to the blood expert, John Hayward, along with the flake - yet by 26th September the silencer is rebuilt as shown in the general examination record dated the 26th September 1985...

How does anyone know whether or not when the silencer was rebuilt by Cook on the 29th August 1985, and by the ballistic expert o0n the 10th September 1985, that the baffle plates were not puit back inside the tube of the silencer the wrong way around, so that by the time the blood expert got around to examining the internal baffle plates of the silencer, the presence of stained blood was recorded at the wrong end of the silencer, for example at the top end of the silencer rather than at the bottom end. The difference would be significant, since with a presence of blood at the top end of the silencer on the first five or six baffle plates this lends support to the argument that backspatter had occurred favouring use of the silencer in the shootings resulting in victims blood getting into the silencer at the time they were shot. However, if blood had been present on the bottom five or six baffle plates, it could have been deposited there during test firing of control bullets fired through it, also leading to a small flake of dried blood being blasted into the silencer during the same test fire...

[susan]

Morning Bigdave

I am inclinded to agree with you that is how Freemasons work in Scotland especially in the small Lodges but not sure about in the South think it is a total different ball game.  Just my humble opinion from what I know of Masons in this area.

[grahameb]

grahame.there is not a heredity membership of freemasons.it is however quite common for sons to join.if theyre fathers are masons.as for masons backing each other up.if one breaks the law.they all do that.in most cases.but it is up to the individual masons conscience.grahame.

I think you may be interested that Simon MacKay Jeremy's solicitor is a Mason. If you are familiar with Masonic insignia then go to his website and look there.
Most Masons are good people and do a lot of good for their fellow man. But some. A very few use their high standing in the Masons to influence other Masons to get what they want. Am I correct that you can only become a Mason by recommendation? I firmly believe that Robert Boutflour was a Mason. I do know for certain that his father was and his father before him. Because Bobby Boutflour wrote it himself in his book (Bobby Boutflour CBE, Robert Boutflour's father that is).

But I would still like to know why Robert Boutflour said to David Boutflour, "You'll need to give that to the police", when he found the silencer. Now honestly would that be the first thing to come to your mind if you found a silencer? It hadn't even been suggested then that Sheila couldn't reach the trigger if the gun had a silencer on it. Was a "plan" of some sort simmering in his mind even that early after the murders? Just a strange thing to say as far as I am concerned.

[susan]

Grahame some Masons are good people and help others some are Masons to help themselves.  Yes you have to be recommended by a Mason to be accepted into the Lodge and they vote with white and black balls one black ball and you are not accepted what I am trying to say all of the Masons in that Lodge have to accept you as a member of their Lodge something like that.  Gordo30 knows everything and everything about the Masons.

[grahameb]

Grahame some Masons are good people and help others some are Masons to help themselves.  Yes you have to be recommended by a Mason to be accepted into the Lodge and they vote with white and black balls one black ball and you are not accepted what I am trying to say all of the Masons in that Lodge have to accept you as a member of their Lodge something like that.  Gordo30 knows everything and everything about the Masons.

Are you saying that there are no black men in the Masons?....Only joking

[susan]

Grahame I thought I may have left myself wide open there with the balls

[lookout]

I could never imagine that Neville was ever a Mason. To my mind,he was an upright and honest man who saw no need to " hide behind any organisation ".

[mike tesko]

Jeremy told me his father was a mason.

[grahameb]

Grahame I thought I may have left myself wide open there with the balls

Hey Susan, is that where the saying came from to be "black balled"?