Motive for murders - Jeremy versus the relatives...

[lookout]

Jeremy told me his father was a mason.

Mike,,I'd be really surprised if he had have been. There hasn't been any reference to it,unless I've missed it.

[susan]

Hello lookout

not sure if Ralph Bamber was a Mason or not like you I suspect not.  Many Masons are good men and join for the right reasons but others join as they will use it to their own benefit which is very wrong.  I have often wondered if guys in high places who are Masons and help each other would still help each other if they were not Masons not sure just how powerful the Masonic Fraternity is.  It is common knowledge that most high ranking police officers are members of a Lodge.

[nugnug]

im not sure how relvant all this mason stuff is anyway.

[susan]

Grahame maybe it is I have only heard the expression in connection with Masons and I was listening behind the door at the time then coughed and went into the room

[grahameb]

Mike,,I'd be really surprised if he had have been. There hasn't been any reference to it,unless I've missed it.

A few years ago to be a Mason was a very secret thing. I remember in the 60's there was a program on the television about the Masons which was a kind of revelation of the Freemasons. It was that which destroyed if you like the secrecy of the organisation and many Masons openly declared that they were Masons. But there still are those who prefer their membership to be a secret. To be a Freemason doesn't automatically mean that Ralph was not an upright man. I've just explained that Jeremy's solicitor is a Freemason and he proudly displays that fact on his website, although he never actually says anything about it.

[lookout]

Hello lookout

not sure if Ralph Bamber was a Mason or not like you I suspect not.  Many Masons are good men and join for the right reasons but others join as they will use it to their own benefit which is very wrong.  I have often wondered if guys in high places who are Masons and help each other would still help each other if they were not Masons not sure just how powerful the Masonic Fraternity is.  It is common knowledge that most high ranking police officers are members of a Lodge.

I agree,Susan. Most of my in-laws were Masons,,one still is,,and I can tell you this much,,,they all got on in life ! Ahem. My late husband used to call it the backpatters brotherhood. He wasn't one as you'll have gathered,nor was his father,who Neville always reminded me of. They were the only two in the family who weren't. Son-in-law dropped out when they went back to Australia.

[susan]

Grahame quite a few Masons don't talk about it and they even keep secrets from their wife thus makes listening at doors necessary but they do have their very very secret handshake which I still have to find out what it is inspite of going down on my knees watching for clues

[grahameb]

im not sure how relvant all this mason stuff is anyway.

Well it could mean that RWB had influence in certain circles. You remember it was in the 80's that was a lot of hulluballoo about police chiefs being Masons. The implication being that they would serve fellow Masons who were in trouble with the law before the law itself.
I also remember the Reformed Baptist church that I went to had a claus in the membership rules that no member must be a member of a secret organization ie a Freemason. The implication being that of divided loyalties.

[grahameb]

Grahame quite a few Masons don't talk about it and they even keep secrets from their wife thus makes listening at doors necessary but they do have their very very secret handshake which I still have to find out what it is inspite of going down on my knees watching for clues

Press the knuckle with the thumb.

[susan]

Hi lookout  I personally prefer the Boy Scouts as they have a uniform.  The Masons put on their finery for a Masonic funeral  

[grahameb]

Press the knuckle with the thumb.

Psst. The last Pope was a Freemason.

[grahameb]

Hi lookout  I personally prefer the Boy Scouts as they have a uniform.  The Masons put on their finery for a Masonic funeral

When I was a lad I used to belong to the secret 7. We only had five members. But we had real badges made out of milk bottle tops.


erm. we're getting off topic a bit. sorry.

[lookout]

I know they all help each other,etc,,though in part,with some family members this doesn't apply. Considering RWB's position in life,,he treated Jeremy abominably and word would have soon got round of the young mans' " shortcomings " ( cannabis and womanising ) If this is an example of how Masons' act,,and it's believable,,,then I don't want to know.
At the time of RWB's swearing-in,,folk around the area would have been very insular and would have known nothing beyond the environment they were living in. It would have possibly changed with the times as we know it today,,but it's still a closed door.

[susan]

Grahame never know with you if that is right but I will put it to the test and watch the reaction.  Just had my new wood burner connected and white smoke is coming from the chimney local people think a new Pope has been elected Promise I will behave now

[susan]

Grahame have discussed this before and not sure that Roman Catholics are accepted into a Masonic Lodge in this area Gordo 30 explained it all but I forgot