Telephone issue - Extravaganza...

[mike tesko]

Anybody else got any ideas on this possibility...

[scipio_usmc]

Bump to be added to the archive for Jean Bouttell if someone is able to do so.

[Reader]

If the above log is 'genuine', it was mostly written by Pc West. I have no idea why someone else wrote two of the entries. According to the log, Pc West was told by the informant, who must have been Jeremy, about the various shotguns and rifles at WHF, and then Jeremy was asked to go to WHF.

. . . could a disconnect of the external line into the house have been used to accomplish the same 2 minute "forced release"?

No. It's theoretically possible for the line to have been accessed 'externally', but very unlikely. If the line had been disconnected externally, any use of the line would end immediately, so the line wouldn't seem to be engaged.

[scipio_usmc]

If the above log is 'genuine', it was mostly written by Pc West. I have no idea why someone else wrote two of the entries. According to the log, Pc West was told by the informant, who must have been Jeremy, about the various shotguns and rifles at WHF, and then Jeremy was asked to go to WHF.
No. It's theoretically possible for the line to have been accessed 'externally', but very unlikely. If the line had been disconnected externally, any use of the line would end immediately, so the line wouldn't seem to be engaged.

You are years late.  That is one of the additional pages of West's records from the day of the murders.  That is why weeks ago I made you specify whether you meant the C1 page of the log or the additioanl pages he filled out.

[Reader]

I know what it seems to be, but I don't know why it has some entries by someone else. Also, I don't know why mike tesko ignores it when claiming that PcWest's log doesn't show the guns at WHF. Clearly, it does, so the matter of interest is whether the log was faked later on. At present, it seems to be genuine.

[scipio_usmc]

I know what it seems to be, but I don't know why it has some entries by someone else. Also, I don't know why mike tesko ignores it when claiming that PcWest's log doesn't show the guns at WHF. Clearly, it does, so the matter of interest is whether the log was faked later on. At present, it seems to be genuine.

The same reason Bonnett's had other entries- there was a shift change.  It is the scond page of West's log the C1 page is the first.

Mike ignores anything that is inconvenient to his arguments. He is still insisting there was an alarm plugged into the phone socket in the bedroom even though there was no such thing as a portable alarm in those days to plug into the phone socket.  There would be an alarm panel and a phone line would be run to that alarm panel.  They needed a different phone line for it.  In the 1990s is when they perfected a syste to be able to use a single house line for both phone use and the alarm.

[Reader]

Alarms didn't require a separate telephone line. Alarm panels are normally hardwired, but would still work if plugged into a socket. A panic alarm that is intended to be plugged into a socket and doesn't involve an alarm panel is theoretically possible, but whether it was in use in 1985 is another matter.

[scipio_usmc]

Alarms didn't require a separate telephone line. Alarm panels are normally hardwired, but would still work if plugged into a socket. A panic alarm that is intended to be plugged into a socket and doesn't involve an alarm panel is theoretically possible, but whether it was in use in 1985 is another matter.

They required a separate line.  All a burglar had to do was call the house and the alarm would not be able to dial out.  In the 1990s they invented a way to use the same line so that the phone could be in use and yet still dial an ARC.  The phone could be ringing from someone calling or even actually in use with people talking and still the line can simultaneously be used to signal the ARC.  The original BT Redcare was the first such system and was not invented until the 1990s.

They would wire a new phone line to an alarm panel.  The mobile alarm panels Mike is talking about than can be plugged in the regular phone outlet are post 1985 inventions.

[Reader]

They didn't "require" a separate line. Yes, a burglar could disable the alarm, but that's possible even with a separate line by simply cutting the line externally!

[lookout]

And why wasn't the line cut ? Jeremy knew of the amount of phones inside the farmhouse and that they'd be easy to grab in an emergency being strategically placed, in the bedroom for starters. The kitchen,on entry,etc etc.

[Jane]

And why wasn't the line cut ? Jeremy knew of the amount of phones inside the farmhouse and that they'd be easy to grab in an emergency being strategically placed, in the bedroom for starters. The kitchen,on entry,etc etc.

Because if one is trying to convince the world that murder/suicide occurred within a family situation, which of them would cut the telephone wires first?

[lookout]

Using the words of Jeremy------------that's what you'd have to establish.

[Jane]

Using the words of Jeremy------------that's what you'd have to establish.

Er, I don't think it's necessary to prove the hypothetical, Lookout. It's hard enough trying to prove facts

[Reader]

The same reason Bonnett's had other entries - there was a shift change.  It is the second page of West's log the C1 page is the first.

A shift change that affected Pc West at what time? Anyway, how would a shift change account for the fact that Pc West's entry for 0422 is inbetween the entries for 0417 and 0431 (which weren't written by Pc West)?

[lookout]

Er, I don't think it's necessary to prove the hypothetical, Lookout. It's hard enough trying to prove facts