Sheila's risqué pictures...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Now, shortly after the deaths - Jeremy was caught trying to sell nude pictures of his sister to a number of newspapers.

According to some more creditable newspapers, they turned him down, but when he approached some tabloids, they knew they had a better story in exposing him.

The defence team will argue this was typical of tabloids, although from memory, some more credible newspapers came to the fore and confirmed that he had made attempts to sell the photos (not sure of the nature of them, but perhaps best decribed as 'risqué' and maybe venturing into 'soft core').

Do we have supporting evidence for these events (or anything to help denounce them)?

And if he did do this, whilst not making him guilty, it is once again painting a quite dubious picture of him wouldn't you agree?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Highly unlikely he'd go in person.

Possibly phoned them in person.

Are you wondering if that part was a stitch up by someone?

There was talk of him being keen to obtain her photos (in order to sell them), and I'm not sure who would know about such photos, or indeed if they exist. But I think at the time it was believed they did exist.

Will have to dig deeper into it.
But he DEFINITELY took artifacts from WHF and from Sheila's flat and auctioned them. To be fair, I don't think there was anything secretive about this, people knew, but it was deemed a bit damn quick (just a few days afterwards)

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Has Bamber ever denied that it was him who tried to sell the photographs to the press?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Has Bamber ever denied that it was him who tried to sell the photographs to the press?

I'm not sure we've even got decent evidence he tried to sell them.

There is evidence that the papers said he did, but as to what evidence they themselves had, I don't know. It was 1985, so would take some archive research, unless I can find some on the net.

It's one of those 50/50 things where half say "oh yes, he definitely did" and others say "newspaper rubbish"

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

If Bamber is the money grabbing playboy we are lead to believe he is, wouldn't he have sued said papers for libel?

[andrea]

colin took some photos of sheila while they were both sunbathing one afternoon, sheila was naked in the pictures but certainly not pornographic.

there were others according to the claire powell book,  sheila had some  taken by a proffesional photographer but they showed bit more than she had bargained for.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

If Bamber is the money grabbing playboy we are lead to believe he is, wouldn't he have sued said papers for libel?

I believe it's commonly held to be true, he was trying to cash in, but without the evidence, it doesn't count.

[mike tesko]

Do they have proof it was him who actually contacted them - ie did he go into the offices in person?

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It was Brett Collins who contacted the press about these matters...

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Do they have proof it was him who actually contacted them - ie did he go into the offices in person?

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It was Brett Collins who contacted the press about these matters...

Brett was his New Zealand gay friend, some people think he held some sway with Jeremy, although to what extent is highly debatable.
It would be reasonable for Jeremy to use a 'middle man', but it's just as likely (in my opinion) that so called 'friends' start seeing ways to make money and offering interviews and insights, photos (normal ones!) and the like.

I have no difficultly buying into some creepy so called friend trying to sell them. Very believable.

That still doesn't prove it either way.

Maybe we won't get anywhere on this topic :-( I was just curious how much they could pin on Jeremy knowing about it / endorsing it / instigating it.

But let's not give up!

[mb1]

Do they have proof it was him who actually contacted them - ie did he go into the offices in person?

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It was Brett Collins who contacted the press about these matters...

And is this Brett Collins the ex armed robber, now prison reform activist?
Or someone else with the same name?

[TheBrilliantMistake]

I'm not sure it's the same guy -

I think I looked into this chap (the activist) and thought he was in prison around the time of the Bamber killings, although I could be mistaken.

History on the activist was vague, but I too wondered if this could have been the same man.

[andrea]

i read that bamber and collins had met a journalist in a pub and then tried to sell the pictures of sheila.

dont know who set the meeting up, cant remember off hand.

[mb1]

I'm not sure it's the same guy -

I think I looked into this chap (the activist) and thought he was in prison around the time of the Bamber killings, although I could be mistaken.

History on the activist was vague, but I too wondered if this could have been the same man.

Released end of 1981? Definitely out by 82.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

For over thirty years Brett Collins has represented prisoners’ interests nationally and internationally. He is a Coordinator for Justice Action and a spokesperson for the Prisoners Action Group.

He has an Arts degree in Law and Economics from University of Queensland 1982 and a postgraduate Diploma in Criminology from Sydney University Law School 1984.

He is the founder and Managing Director of Breakout DesignPrintWeb, begun in 1984 that employs twenty people, serves many unions, community groups and corporations, and resources Justice Action. It employs and trains ex-prisoners, and funds itself.

In 1971 he was sentenced to seventeen years in prison. Of the ten years he served he spent long periods in segregation units classified as an intractable prisoner and troublemaker. He is the current NSW record-holder for remaining on a prison roof – 3 days. The Australian Government attempted to deport him to New Zealand after the end of his sentence but he gained sufficient community support to allow him back into the country.

He led the team defending Australian prisoners right to vote before the Senate Inquiry in 2006. Justice Action hosted the eleventh International Conference on Penal Abolition in 2006 in Tasmania. He has been involved in campaigns including reform of police corruption, the NSW Drug Summit, facilitating the Australian Prisoners Union, and production of the prisoners’ newspaper JUST US.

He has supervised hundreds of people on community service orders since 1984, managed a halfway house, formalised JA Mentoring as a challenge to imprisonment and does continuous media work.

Aha, it might have been the 17 years I saw, and not the 10 years actually served.

Not sure it's the same guy - but interesting... very. Degree in Criminology?... I mean this is purely speculative, but it does fit nicely into someone sowing seeds into Jeremy's mind - esp if Collins was impressively articulate and able to impress Bamber.

Not going to be easy to work out if it is the same chap...

I know some 'checking up' was done on him by the family, and sometimes reported as hiring a PI, but I think Robert Boutflour suggested it was simply a cousin (or similar) in Aus who did the checking. The internet wasn't really around then, so unlikely he'd have turned up that much without spending a fair amount of money (unlikely)

[mb1]

For over thirty years Brett Collins has represented prisoners’ interests nationally and internationally. He is a Coordinator for Justice Action and a spokesperson for the Prisoners Action Group.

He has an Arts degree in Law and Economics from University of Queensland 1982 and a postgraduate Diploma in Criminology from Sydney University Law School 1984.

He is the founder and Managing Director of Breakout DesignPrintWeb, begun in 1984 that employs twenty people, serves many unions, community groups and corporations, and resources Justice Action. It employs and trains ex-prisoners, and funds itself.

In 1971 he was sentenced to seventeen years in prison. Of the ten years he served he spent long periods in segregation units classified as an intractable prisoner and troublemaker. He is the current NSW record-holder for remaining on a prison roof – 3 days. The Australian Government attempted to deport him to New Zealand after the end of his sentence but he gained sufficient community support to allow him back into the country.

He led the team defending Australian prisoners right to vote before the Senate Inquiry in 2006. Justice Action hosted the eleventh International Conference on Penal Abolition in 2006 in Tasmania. He has been involved in campaigns including reform of police corruption, the NSW Drug Summit, facilitating the Australian Prisoners Union, and production of the prisoners’ newspaper JUST US.

He has supervised hundreds of people on community service orders since 1984, managed a halfway house, formalised JA Mentoring as a challenge to imprisonment and does continuous media work.

Aha, it might have been the 17 years I saw, and not the 10 years actually served.

Not sure it's the same guy - but interesting... very. Degree in Criminology?... I mean this is purely speculative, but it does fit nicely into someone sowing seeds into Jeremy's mind - esp if Collins was impressively articulate and able to impress Bamber.

Not going to be easy to work out if it is the same chap...

I know some 'checking up' was done on him by the family, and sometimes reported as hiring a PI, but I think Robert Boutflour suggested it was simply a cousin (or similar) in Aus who did the checking. The internet wasn't really around then, so unlikely he'd have turned up that much without spending a fair amount of money (unlikely)

A great deal of his work involves prisoners with drug issues or incarcerated for drug related crimes.
He's involved with a group that arranges cannabis smoking get togethers outside prisons...

Have seen images that defy a 'toker' image. He appears body-builder fit. Perhaps an interest he shares with David Shaw?

This is how easy conspiracy theories are folks!