Photograph of Shiela on the bed

[mike tesko]

The issue of Sheila is a separate one - the photo of June does not indicate that she was on her stomach at any point in my opinion.

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I disagree with your view, I think there is evidence in that photographs which shows that she was laid face down at some stage, with her feet not in contact with the quilt, they may have been hanging over the edge of the bed, and this is why the livor mortis shows up differently on those parts of her legs / feet...

Your view cannot be substantiated because you cannot see what colour the skin is on the bottom part of her legs, which is closest to the bedroom carpet...

Well I don't agree, so there's no point us discussing it. You are just making it up in my opinion.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but it is not me making up your opinion, it is you...

It's there! On the photograph - for everyone to see.

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Yes, the white patches on the top part of her legs which got there as a result of compression when that part of her legs was resting against the fuddled up quilt of the bed, and her feet were overhanging the edge of the bed - producing those white areas on the top part of her legs, once she was repositioned by the bedroom door on her back...

Nothing could be clearer...

It shows nothing of the sort. That's just rubbish.

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It's not rubbish, you can't even see if there is any livor mortis on the back of the legs and you need there not to be any to back up what you are saying...

If anybodies talking rubbish, then it ain't me...

You can't see the back of her legs either! You're just speculating as usual and introducing red herrings.

thats exactly it, you can't see whats on the back of her legs, and you need to be able to see whats there to back up what you are saying. Now if you look carefully at Junes feet, you need to be explainining to me why the blood in the top part of her foot does not appear to have drained by the dynamics of gravity to the lowest part of her feet?

[Kaldin]

Notice that there is not much or any blood on the soles of June Bambers feet...

Odd that - considering that according to the prosecutions case that she walked all over the place, and with so much blood on the bedroom carpet?

Puts the arguments about an apparent lack of blood on Sheila's feet, into some sort of perspective..

Agreed - for once. It's not a close up shot but they don't look covered in blood.

[mike tesko]

The only way blood can settle at the top part of her feet as shown in the picture, is for June to have been laid face down, with her feet hanging over the edge of the bed...

In those circumstances, blood would run or drain to the lowest point in the foot, which would appear at the top part of the foot once the body was laid on its back at a later time...

At least in my opinion...

[mike tesko]

Notice that there is not much or any blood on the soles of June Bambers feet...

Odd that - considering that according to the prosecutions case that she walked all over the place, and with so much blood on the bedroom carpet?

Puts the arguments about an apparent lack of blood on Sheila's feet, into some sort of perspective..

Agreed - for once. It's not a close up shot but they don't look covered in blood.

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How could June have walked about all over the place to account for the apparent distribution of her blood in many different parts of the bedroom, including underneath where the body of Sheila was eventually placed by the police, in time for PC Bird to photograph it there? It's puzzling...

Makes a nonsense of the argument that Sheila's feet were supposed to have been clean, as well...

[mike tesko]

Sheepskin rug photographed under body of Sheila by side of bed, was originally on the floor at the other side of the bed - so who moved it to the wrong side of the bed, before Sheila's body was placed or positioned upon it? Could it be that the reason the police were saying June Bambers blood was found on the carpet beneath Sheila's body was because that rug was on the other side of the bed when June got out of bed and she bled on it? Why move the sheepskin rug from one side of the bed to the other?

[Kaldin]

Notice that there is not much or any blood on the soles of June Bambers feet...

Odd that - considering that according to the prosecutions case that she walked all over the place, and with so much blood on the bedroom carpet?

Puts the arguments about an apparent lack of blood on Sheila's feet, into some sort of perspective..

Agreed - for once. It's not a close up shot but they don't look covered in blood.

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How could June have walked about all over the place to account for the apparent distribution of her blood in many different parts of the bedroom, including underneath where the body of Sheila was eventually placed by the police, in time for PC Bird to photograph it there? It's puzzling...

Makes a nonsense of the argument that Sheila's feet were supposed to have been clean, as well...

Well now you've ruined it by claiming yet again that the body of Sheila was moved. I wish you could do a simple post without referring to one of your usual theories.

I guess June might have crawled around the room. It's not possible to tell really.

Still, it's a good point as is the apparent lack of livor mortis in the photos of Sheila. Perhaps the angle of the photos is wrong though.

[Kaldin]

Sheepskin rug photographed under body of Sheila by side of bed, was originally on the floor at the other side of the bed - so who moved it to the wrong side of the bed, before Sheila's body was placed or positioned upon it? Could it be that the reason the police were saying June Bambers blood was found on the carpet beneath Sheila's body was because that rug was on the other side of the bed when June got out of bed and she bled on it? Why move the sheepskin rug from one side of the bed to the other?

Who says the rug was on the other side of the bed?

[Kaldin]

There's also some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to June's side of the bed, so she wouldn't have bled on a rug anyway.

[mike tesko]

Notice that there is not much or any blood on the soles of June Bambers feet...

Odd that - considering that according to the prosecutions case that she walked all over the place, and with so much blood on the bedroom carpet?

Puts the arguments about an apparent lack of blood on Sheila's feet, into some sort of perspective..

Agreed - for once. It's not a close up shot but they don't look covered in blood.

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How could June have walked about all over the place to account for the apparent distribution of her blood in many different parts of the bedroom, including underneath where the body of Sheila was eventually placed by the police, in time for PC Bird to photograph it there? It's puzzling...

Makes a nonsense of the argument that Sheila's feet were supposed to have been clean, as well...

Well now you've ruined it by claiming yet again that the body of Sheila was moved. I wish you could do a simple post without referring to one of your usual theories.

I guess June might have crawled around the room. It's not possible to tell really.

Still, it's a good point as is the apparent lack of livor mortis in the photos of Sheila. Perhaps the angle of the photos is wrong though.

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There is evidence that Sheila's body was moved, and that the gun and the bible was moved - there is also evidence that at least 8 negatives which were pictures taken of Sheila's body in the bedroom that are missing and unaccounted for, in the grand sequence of things...

Why are these negatives missing?

Why do Essex police and the DPP /CPS refuse to say what happened to these negatives / pictures they took of Sheila?

They moved her from the bed onto the floor, which in time will be proven and established, a fact that I am convinced of...

[mike tesko]

There's also some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to June's side of the bed, so she wouldn't have bled on a rug anyway.

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Quilt is on floor by 10 O'clock because police moved it off bed to examine bed for evidence - they put it on the floor next to the bed...

So, June did / could have bled on the sheepskin rug on that side of the bed...

In my opinion...

[Kaldin]

Notice that there is not much or any blood on the soles of June Bambers feet...

Odd that - considering that according to the prosecutions case that she walked all over the place, and with so much blood on the bedroom carpet?

Puts the arguments about an apparent lack of blood on Sheila's feet, into some sort of perspective..

Agreed - for once. It's not a close up shot but they don't look covered in blood.

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How could June have walked about all over the place to account for the apparent distribution of her blood in many different parts of the bedroom, including underneath where the body of Sheila was eventually placed by the police, in time for PC Bird to photograph it there? It's puzzling...

Makes a nonsense of the argument that Sheila's feet were supposed to have been clean, as well...

Well now you've ruined it by claiming yet again that the body of Sheila was moved. I wish you could do a simple post without referring to one of your usual theories.

I guess June might have crawled around the room. It's not possible to tell really.

Still, it's a good point as is the apparent lack of livor mortis in the photos of Sheila. Perhaps the angle of the photos is wrong though.

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There is evidence that Sheila's body was moved, and that the gun and the bible was moved - there is also evidence that at least 8 negatives which were pictures taken of Sheila's body in the bedroom that are missing and unaccounted for, in the grand sequence of things...

Why are these negatives missing?

Why do Essex police and the DPP /CPS refuse to say what happened to these negatives / pictures they took of Sheila?

They moved her from the bed onto the floor, which in time will be proven and established, a fact that I am convinced of...

This has been covered time and time again ...

[Kaldin]

There's also some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to June's side of the bed, so she wouldn't have bled on a rug anyway.

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Quilt is on floor by 10 O'clock because police moved it off bed to examine bed for evidence - they put it on the floor next to the bed...

So, June did / could have bled on the sheepskin rug on that side of the bed...

In my opinion...

There is also a rug on the floor on June's side of the bed ... it looks similar to the one Sheila is lying on.

[mike tesko]

There's also some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to June's side of the bed, so she wouldn't have bled on a rug anyway.

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Quilt is on floor by 10 O'clock because police moved it off bed to examine bed for evidence - they put it on the floor next to the bed...

So, June did / could have bled on the sheepskin rug on that side of the bed...

In my opinion...

There is also a rug on the floor on June's side of the bed ... it looks similar to the one Sheila is lying on.

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The same one...

[Kaldin]

There's also some kind of eiderdown on the floor next to June's side of the bed, so she wouldn't have bled on a rug anyway.

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Quilt is on floor by 10 O'clock because police moved it off bed to examine bed for evidence - they put it on the floor next to the bed...

So, June did / could have bled on the sheepskin rug on that side of the bed...

In my opinion...

There is also a rug on the floor on June's side of the bed ... it looks similar to the one Sheila is lying on.

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The same one...

Or maybe there were two rugs - one each side of the bed.

Do you have evidence that it's the same rug?

[mike tesko]

And then, of course there is the blood all over the front of June Bambers nightdress, which was duplicated on the the bottom sheet of the bed - an important exhibit, that was scientifically examined at the Lab' but the results were withheld, and the sheet destroyed by Essex police...