Photograph of Shiela on the bed

[Kaldin]

According to JB,the conversation and sighting DID occur.JB possibly relied on it as part of his defence.However,at trial,pc Bews told of a slightly different version of events that did not back up JBs claims.I am not surprised by this at all!

So Bews said what he said later? That Myall saw a movement which turned out to be a trick of the light? Bews and Jeremy never saw anyone at all?

So much for all this racing back to the car story then.

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Your account is inaccurate and misleading, since all three saw the figure at the bedroom window and it was no trick of light, or as the case may be, the moon reflecting on the glass of the bedroom window. They saw a person at the bedroom window, I have spoken to Jeremy about this on many occasions, there was a figure stood to the right hand side of the bedroom window, which stood there for about a minute or two, which caused the two police officers and Jeremy to duck behind a wall in the garden. Then the figure walked across the opening of the bedroom window, from right to left (as viewed from the vantage point of the police and Jeremy). As soon as the figure disappeared from right to left and out of sight, the two police officers and Jeremy set off racing out of the grounds back to the patrol car which was parked up in Pages Lane containing PS Saxby, and PC Myall passed a radio message to the incident room, updating them about what they had all just seen, and a request for the firearms team to be sent out to the scene...

I have asked Jeremy countless times, if he could identify the person they all saw, and Jeremy says not, it was just the silhouetted figure of a person, that was stood at the right side of the bedroom window, and then it walked across the window - it was definitely a person that they all saw, and as far as Jeremy is concerned it proved that someone was still very much alive inside the farmhouse at that stage...

A police record exists where PC Myall refers to having seen an unidentified male at the scene (whf) with no further information about the circumstances in which the sighting was made, but it is believed that it was the sighting of the person at the bedroom window. If Ture, the person they saw at the bedroom window was non other than Ralph Bamber...

It's not my account, it's PS Bews' account.

Are you seriously telling me that the one thing which could have acquitted Jeremy was not brought into evidence at the trial? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have quizzed PS Bews more and challenged him? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have asked PC Myall about it?

COME OFF IT!

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The account I have given is accurate - I cannot be held accountable for what Jeremy's legal team, may have done, or not done, at the trial...

It's inconceivable that Jeremy would have let such an opportunity go. It was his main chance to prove that he didn't kill his family. I don't believe for one moment that he would not have made a big thing of it.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

It's not my account, it's PS Bews' account.

Are you seriously telling me that the one thing which could have acquitted Jeremy was not brought into evidence at the trial? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have quizzed PS Bews more and challenged him? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have asked PC Myall about it?

COME OFF IT!

I just read the trial transcript of PC Myall's testimony and I am amazed the defence barrister did not ask him about the figure at the window.

[Kaldin]

It's not my account, it's PS Bews' account.

Are you seriously telling me that the one thing which could have acquitted Jeremy was not brought into evidence at the trial? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have quizzed PS Bews more and challenged him? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have asked PC Myall about it?

COME OFF IT!

I just read the trial transcript of PC Myall's testimony and I am amazed the defence barrister did not ask him about the figure at the window.

Exactly. It's absurd. It can't possibly have happend the way Mike claims or the defence would have made a HUGE thing of it.

[mike tesko]

The issue of Sheila is a separate one - the photo of June does not indicate that she was on her stomach at any point in my opinion.

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I disagree with your view, I think there is evidence in that photographs which shows that she was laid face down at some stage, with her feet not in contact with the quilt, they may have been hanging over the edge of the bed, and this is why the livor mortis shows up differently on those parts of her legs / feet...

Your view cannot be substantiated because you cannot see what colour the skin is on the bottom part of her legs, which is closest to the bedroom carpet...

[Kaldin]

The issue of Sheila is a separate one - the photo of June does not indicate that she was on her stomach at any point in my opinion.

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I disagree with your view, I think there is evidence in that photographs which shows that she was laid face down at some stage, with her feet not in contact with the quilt, they may have been hanging over the edge of the bed, and this is why the livor mortis shows up differently on those parts of her legs / feet...

Your view cannot be substantiated because you cannot see what colour the skin is on the bottom part of her legs, which is closest to the bedroom carpet...

Well I don't agree, so there's no point us discussing it. You are just making it up in my opinion.

[mike tesko]

According to JB,the conversation and sighting DID occur.JB possibly relied on it as part of his defence.However,at trial,pc Bews told of a slightly different version of events that did not back up JBs claims.I am not surprised by this at all!

So Bews said what he said later? That Myall saw a movement which turned out to be a trick of the light? Bews and Jeremy never saw anyone at all?

So much for all this racing back to the car story then.

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Your account is inaccurate and misleading, since all three saw the figure at the bedroom window and it was no trick of light, or as the case may be, the moon reflecting on the glass of the bedroom window. They saw a person at the bedroom window, I have spoken to Jeremy about this on many occasions, there was a figure stood to the right hand side of the bedroom window, which stood there for about a minute or two, which caused the two police officers and Jeremy to duck behind a wall in the garden. Then the figure walked across the opening of the bedroom window, from right to left (as viewed from the vantage point of the police and Jeremy). As soon as the figure disappeared from right to left and out of sight, the two police officers and Jeremy set off racing out of the grounds back to the patrol car which was parked up in Pages Lane containing PS Saxby, and PC Myall passed a radio message to the incident room, updating them about what they had all just seen, and a request for the firearms team to be sent out to the scene...

I have asked Jeremy countless times, if he could identify the person they all saw, and Jeremy says not, it was just the silhouetted figure of a person, that was stood at the right side of the bedroom window, and then it walked across the window - it was definitely a person that they all saw, and as far as Jeremy is concerned it proved that someone was still very much alive inside the farmhouse at that stage...

A police record exists where PC Myall refers to having seen an unidentified male at the scene (whf) with no further information about the circumstances in which the sighting was made, but it is believed that it was the sighting of the person at the bedroom window. If Ture, the person they saw at the bedroom window was non other than Ralph Bamber...

It's not my account, it's PS Bews' account.

Are you seriously telling me that the one thing which could have acquitted Jeremy was not brought into evidence at the trial? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have quizzed PS Bews more and challenged him? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have asked PC Myall about it?

COME OFF IT!

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The account I have given is accurate - I cannot be held accountable for what Jeremy's legal team, may have done, or not done, at the trial...

It's inconceivable that Jeremy would have let such an opportunity go. It was his main chance to prove that he didn't kill his family. I don't believe for one moment that he would not have made a big thing of it.

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Jeremy was advised on how his case would be handled during the trial, it was out of Jeremy's hands or control...

The main thrust of his defense appears to have been to try and persuade the jury that the blood found in the silencer came from an intimate mixture of his parents bloods and that it was not Sheila's blood at all...

[mike tesko]

The issue of Sheila is a separate one - the photo of June does not indicate that she was on her stomach at any point in my opinion.

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I disagree with your view, I think there is evidence in that photographs which shows that she was laid face down at some stage, with her feet not in contact with the quilt, they may have been hanging over the edge of the bed, and this is why the livor mortis shows up differently on those parts of her legs / feet...

Your view cannot be substantiated because you cannot see what colour the skin is on the bottom part of her legs, which is closest to the bedroom carpet...

Well I don't agree, so there's no point us discussing it. You are just making it up in my opinion.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but it is not me making up your opinion, it is you...

[Kaldin]

According to JB,the conversation and sighting DID occur.JB possibly relied on it as part of his defence.However,at trial,pc Bews told of a slightly different version of events that did not back up JBs claims.I am not surprised by this at all!

So Bews said what he said later? That Myall saw a movement which turned out to be a trick of the light? Bews and Jeremy never saw anyone at all?

So much for all this racing back to the car story then.

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Your account is inaccurate and misleading, since all three saw the figure at the bedroom window and it was no trick of light, or as the case may be, the moon reflecting on the glass of the bedroom window. They saw a person at the bedroom window, I have spoken to Jeremy about this on many occasions, there was a figure stood to the right hand side of the bedroom window, which stood there for about a minute or two, which caused the two police officers and Jeremy to duck behind a wall in the garden. Then the figure walked across the opening of the bedroom window, from right to left (as viewed from the vantage point of the police and Jeremy). As soon as the figure disappeared from right to left and out of sight, the two police officers and Jeremy set off racing out of the grounds back to the patrol car which was parked up in Pages Lane containing PS Saxby, and PC Myall passed a radio message to the incident room, updating them about what they had all just seen, and a request for the firearms team to be sent out to the scene...

I have asked Jeremy countless times, if he could identify the person they all saw, and Jeremy says not, it was just the silhouetted figure of a person, that was stood at the right side of the bedroom window, and then it walked across the window - it was definitely a person that they all saw, and as far as Jeremy is concerned it proved that someone was still very much alive inside the farmhouse at that stage...

A police record exists where PC Myall refers to having seen an unidentified male at the scene (whf) with no further information about the circumstances in which the sighting was made, but it is believed that it was the sighting of the person at the bedroom window. If Ture, the person they saw at the bedroom window was non other than Ralph Bamber...

It's not my account, it's PS Bews' account.

Are you seriously telling me that the one thing which could have acquitted Jeremy was not brought into evidence at the trial? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have quizzed PS Bews more and challenged him? Are you seriously telling me that the defence would not have asked PC Myall about it?

COME OFF IT!

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The account I have given is accurate - I cannot be held accountable for what Jeremy's legal team, may have done, or not done, at the trial...

It's inconceivable that Jeremy would have let such an opportunity go. It was his main chance to prove that he didn't kill his family. I don't believe for one moment that he would not have made a big thing of it.

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Jeremy was advised on how his case would be handled during the trial, it was out of Jeremy's hands or control...

The main thrust of his defense appears to h ave been to try and persuade the jury that the blood found in the silencer came from an intimate mixture of his parents bloods and that it was not Sheila's blood at all...

Nonsense. If he saw a figure at the window, he would have wanted it to be discussed at the trial. It would have been the one concrete piece of evidence that he didn't do it. It would have acquitted him!

[Kaldin]

The issue of Sheila is a separate one - the photo of June does not indicate that she was on her stomach at any point in my opinion.

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I disagree with your view, I think there is evidence in that photographs which shows that she was laid face down at some stage, with her feet not in contact with the quilt, they may have been hanging over the edge of the bed, and this is why the livor mortis shows up differently on those parts of her legs / feet...

Your view cannot be substantiated because you cannot see what colour the skin is on the bottom part of her legs, which is closest to the bedroom carpet...

Well I don't agree, so there's no point us discussing it. You are just making it up in my opinion.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but it is not me making up your opinion, it is you...

It's there! On the photograph - for everyone to see.

[mike tesko]

The issue of Sheila is a separate one - the photo of June does not indicate that she was on her stomach at any point in my opinion.

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I disagree with your view, I think there is evidence in that photographs which shows that she was laid face down at some stage, with her feet not in contact with the quilt, they may have been hanging over the edge of the bed, and this is why the livor mortis shows up differently on those parts of her legs / feet...

Your view cannot be substantiated because you cannot see what colour the skin is on the bottom part of her legs, which is closest to the bedroom carpet...

Well I don't agree, so there's no point us discussing it. You are just making it up in my opinion.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but it is not me making up your opinion, it is you...

It's there! On the photograph - for everyone to see.

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Yes, the white patches on the top part of her legs which got there as a result of compression when that part of her legs was resting against the fuddled up quilt of the bed, and her feet were overhanging the edge of the bed - producing those white areas on the top part of her legs, once she was repositioned by the bedroom door on her back...

Nothing could be clearer...

[Kaldin]

The issue of Sheila is a separate one - the photo of June does not indicate that she was on her stomach at any point in my opinion.

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I disagree with your view, I think there is evidence in that photographs which shows that she was laid face down at some stage, with her feet not in contact with the quilt, they may have been hanging over the edge of the bed, and this is why the livor mortis shows up differently on those parts of her legs / feet...

Your view cannot be substantiated because you cannot see what colour the skin is on the bottom part of her legs, which is closest to the bedroom carpet...

Well I don't agree, so there's no point us discussing it. You are just making it up in my opinion.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but it is not me making up your opinion, it is you...

It's there! On the photograph - for everyone to see.

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Yes, the white patches on the top part of her legs which got there as a result of compression when that part of her legs was resting against the fuddled up quilt of the bed, and her feet were overhanging the edge of the bed - producing those white areas on the top part of her legs, once she was repositioned by the bedroom door on her back...

Nothing could be clearer...

It shows nothing of the sort. That's just rubbish.

[andrea]

junes feet couldnt have hung off the edge of the bed, because there is a decorative railing at the end of the bed (unless im mistaken)

[mike tesko]

The issue of Sheila is a separate one - the photo of June does not indicate that she was on her stomach at any point in my opinion.

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I disagree with your view, I think there is evidence in that photographs which shows that she was laid face down at some stage, with her feet not in contact with the quilt, they may have been hanging over the edge of the bed, and this is why the livor mortis shows up differently on those parts of her legs / feet...

Your view cannot be substantiated because you cannot see what colour the skin is on the bottom part of her legs, which is closest to the bedroom carpet...

Well I don't agree, so there's no point us discussing it. You are just making it up in my opinion.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but it is not me making up your opinion, it is you...

It's there! On the photograph - for everyone to see.

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Yes, the white patches on the top part of her legs which got there as a result of compression when that part of her legs was resting against the fuddled up quilt of the bed, and her feet were overhanging the edge of the bed - producing those white areas on the top part of her legs, once she was repositioned by the bedroom door on her back...

Nothing could be clearer...

It shows nothing of the sort. That's just rubbish.

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It's not rubbish, you can't even see if there is any livor mortis on the back of the legs and you need there not to be any to back up what you are saying...

If anybodies talking rubbish, then it ain't me...

[Kaldin]

The issue of Sheila is a separate one - the photo of June does not indicate that she was on her stomach at any point in my opinion.

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I disagree with your view, I think there is evidence in that photographs which shows that she was laid face down at some stage, with her feet not in contact with the quilt, they may have been hanging over the edge of the bed, and this is why the livor mortis shows up differently on those parts of her legs / feet...

Your view cannot be substantiated because you cannot see what colour the skin is on the bottom part of her legs, which is closest to the bedroom carpet...

Well I don't agree, so there's no point us discussing it. You are just making it up in my opinion.

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You are entitled to your opinion, but it is not me making up your opinion, it is you...

It's there! On the photograph - for everyone to see.

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Yes, the white patches on the top part of her legs which got there as a result of compression when that part of her legs was resting against the fuddled up quilt of the bed, and her feet were overhanging the edge of the bed - producing those white areas on the top part of her legs, once she was repositioned by the bedroom door on her back...

Nothing could be clearer...

It shows nothing of the sort. That's just rubbish.

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It's not rubbish, you can't even see if there is any livor mortis on the back of the legs and you need there not to be any to back up what you are saying...

If anybodies talking rubbish, then it ain't me...

You can't see the back of her legs either! You're just speculating as usual and introducing red herrings.

[mike tesko]

Notice that there is not much or any blood on the soles of June Bambers feet...

Odd that - considering that according to the prosecutions case that she walked all over the place, and with so much blood on the bedroom carpet?

Puts the arguments about an apparent lack of blood on Sheila's feet, into some sort of perspective..