Photograph of Shiela on the bed

[Kaldin]

Other officers who allegedly saw Sheila after DR Craig carried out his very brief examination, described the blood that was coming out from the corner of her mouth as running and leaking...

What you have got to remember is that Dr Craig, and PI Miller, made a false witness statement about Sheila only having one wound? So, which wound was that one then?

They may have meant that it had run and leaked. I don't think they used those actual words did they?

[Kaldin]

Am I now to believe that Dr Craig was in on the conspiracy?

[mike tesko]

Why would they have put June on the floor in that particular position then?

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They must have taken them both off the bed and put June up against the bedroom door, but her body slipped down into the position it ended up being photographed in, by PC Bird (SOC) at around 10 O'clock, and Sheila was put onto the floor - possibly so that they could check the bed for evidence...

Why would they put June up against the bedroom door? They would have had to have put her in a very awkward position for her to to have slipped down that way.

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Look at the bedroom door, blood smears - she was propped up against that door and slipped down into her last resting position - the poor woman died a horrible painful death...

[mike tesko]

Am I now to believe that Dr Craig was in on the conspiracy?

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Why don't you contact Ewen Smith at the CCRC, and ask him...

[Kaldin]

Why would they have put June on the floor in that particular position then?

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They must have taken them both off the bed and put June up against the bedroom door, but her body slipped down into the position it ended up being photographed in, by PC Bird (SOC) at around 10 O'clock, and Sheila was put onto the floor - possibly so that they could check the bed for evidence...

Why would they put June up against the bedroom door? They would have had to have put her in a very awkward position for her to to have slipped down that way.

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Look at the bedroom door, blood smears - she was propped up against that door and slipped down into her last resting position - the poor woman died a horrible painful death...

And why would she still be bleeding at that time?

[Kaldin]

Am I now to believe that Dr Craig was in on the conspiracy?

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Why don't you contact Ewen Smith at the CCRC, and ask him...

Yes, Mr Smith is really going to tell me that isn't he? 

[Alex]

I noticed a smear of blood but I am not convinced it could have got there so long after she was killed.  I accept that Sheila was photographed on the bed.  I accept that Dr Craig's statement about where Sheila was when he view her body may be false.  I can only guess why this would have been necessary.  But I do find it difficult to believe that June could have been was found in bed unless she was moved into the bed by the killer, which seems equally implausible whichever sibling one assumes was responsible.

[mike tesko]

Am I now to believe that Dr Craig was in on the conspiracy?

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Why don't you contact Ewen Smith at the CCRC, and ask him...

Yes, Mr Smith is really going to tell me that isn't he? 

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I doubt it, but he knows the truth because he told me about what DR Craig had to say when he went to speak to him in 2003...

Sheila was on the bed when he and PI Miller got to whf (before 9 O'clock...

Iv'e seen the picture, so I know its true - she did not have any blood running from the corners of her mouth or into her left eye socket. That is good enough for me, it tells me that the police moved Sheila's body from the bed to the floor, it couldn't haver happened any other way...

Jeremy could not / did not kill his sister and he did not / could not have stage managed her body to make it look like a suicide, it was the police who are responsible for doing that...

[Kaldin]

Am I now to believe that Dr Craig was in on the conspiracy?

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Why don't you contact Ewen Smith at the CCRC, and ask him...

Yes, Mr Smith is really going to tell me that isn't he? 

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I doubt it, but he knows the truth because he told me about what DR Craig had to say when he went to speak to him in 2003...

Sheila was on the bed when he and PI Miller got to whf (before 9 O'clock...

Iv'e seen the picture, so I know its true - she did not have any blood running from the corners of her mouth or into her left eye socket. That is good enough for me, it tells me that the police moved Sheila's body from the bed to the floor, it couldn't haver happened any other way...

Jeremy could not / did not kill his sister and he did not / could not have stage managed her body to make it look like a suicide, it was the police who are responsible for doing that...

So are you doing anything to convince them of that? You're the one who saw a photograph that nobody else admits to seeing.

If DC Clark was correct about Sheila being on the bed, one has to assume he was also correct about June being on the bed, and I just don't see that as feasible. Like I said, there was blood all over the floor and they said it was her blood. Do you think it wasn't her blood, and that it was Nevill's?

[mike tesko]

I noticed a smear of blood but I am not convinced it could have got there so long after she was killed.  I accept that Sheila was photographed on the bed.  I accept that Dr Craig's statement about where Sheila was when he view her body may be false.  I can only guess why this would have been necessary.  But I do find it difficult to believe that June could have been was found in bed unless she was moved into the bed by the killer, which seems equally implausible whichever sibling one assumes was responsible.

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Alex, I have not seen a photograph of June on the bed, I am only going on what DC Clark told Ann Eaton at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, on the morning of 7th August 1985...

According to the evidence, June got out of bed and walked around a bit, and she could have been the figure who was seen by the two police officers and Jeremy walking across the bedroom window, because spots of her blood, in a trail were found on the bedroom carpet in that location...

A bare footprint impression was also found on the pile of the bedroom carpet, walking in the general direction away from where June Bambers body ended up. This could be evidence that Sheila walked across and away from Junes body after she had killed her or finished her off - and why the gun ended up at the bedroom window, because the bare foot impression appears to be walking in that general direction...

In my opinion...

[mike tesko]

Am I now to believe that Dr Craig was in on the conspiracy?

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Why don't you contact Ewen Smith at the CCRC, and ask him...

Yes, Mr Smith is really going to tell me that isn't he? 

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I doubt it, but he knows the truth because he told me about what DR Craig had to say when he went to speak to him in 2003...

Sheila was on the bed when he and PI Miller got to whf (before 9 O'clock...

Iv'e seen the picture, so I know its true - she did not have any blood running from the corners of her mouth or into her left eye socket. That is good enough for me, it tells me that the police moved Sheila's body from the bed to the floor, it couldn't haver happened any other way...

Jeremy could not / did not kill his sister and he did not / could not have stage managed her body to make it look like a suicide, it was the police who are responsible for doing that...

So are you doing anything to convince them of that? You're the one who saw a photograph that nobody else admits to seeing.

If DC Clark was correct about Sheila being on the bed, one has to assume he was also correct about June being on the bed, and I just don't see that as feasible. Like I said, there was blood all over the floor and they said it was her blood. Do you think it wasn't her blood, and that it was Nevill's?

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They must have found some of Sheila's blood in the bedroom, but officially they did not - how most peculiar...

[Alex]

I noticed a smear of blood but I am not convinced it could have got there so long after she was killed.  I accept that Sheila was photographed on the bed.  I accept that Dr Craig's statement about where Sheila was when he view her body may be false.  I can only guess why this would have been necessary.  But I do find it difficult to believe that June could have been was found in bed unless she was moved into the bed by the killer, which seems equally implausible whichever sibling one assumes was responsible.

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Alex, I have not seen a photograph of June on the bed, I am only going on what DC Clark told Ann Eaton at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, on the morning of 7th August 1985...

According to the evidence, June got out of bed and walked around a bit, and she could have been the figure who was seen by the two police officers and Jeremy walking across the bedroom window, because spots of her blood, in a trail were found on the bedroom carpet in that location...

A bare footprint impression was also found on the pile of the bedroom carpet, walking in the general direction away from where June Bambers body ended up. This could be evidence that Sheila walked across and away from Junes body after she had killed her or finished her off - and why the gun ended up at the bedroom window, because the bare foot impression appears to be walking in that general direction...

In my opinion...

OK, thanks.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Could sheila not have died as commonly held, on the floor with the blood on her face etc, but have been lifted to the bad after initial forensics, to look at her reverse, and the floor underneath her. Having had the faced cleaned up a little and photographed on the bed?

IF the photo on the bed exists  - and let us believe it does...

then how do we know the time frame of it?

[mike tesko]

Could sheila not have died as commonly held, on the floor with the blood on her face etc, but have been lifted to the bad after initial forensics, to look at her reverse, and the floor underneath her. Having had the faced cleaned up a little and photographed on the bed?

IF the photo on the bed exists  - and let us believe it does...

then how do we know the time frame of it?

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clock on bedside cabinet...

[mike tesko]

I noticed a smear of blood but I am not convinced it could have got there so long after she was killed.  I accept that Sheila was photographed on the bed.  I accept that Dr Craig's statement about where Sheila was when he view her body may be false.  I can only guess why this would have been necessary.  But I do find it difficult to believe that June could have been was found in bed unless she was moved into the bed by the killer, which seems equally implausible whichever sibling one assumes was responsible.

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Alex, I have not seen a photograph of June on the bed, I am only going on what DC Clark told Ann Eaton at 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, on the morning of 7th August 1985...

According to the evidence, June got out of bed and walked around a bit, and she could have been the figure who was seen by the two police officers and Jeremy walking across the bedroom window, because spots of her blood, in a trail were found on the bedroom carpet in that location...

A bare footprint impression was also found on the pile of the bedroom carpet, walking in the general direction away from where June Bambers body ended up. This could be evidence that Sheila walked across and away from Junes body after she had killed her or finished her off - and why the gun ended up at the bedroom window, because the bare foot impression appears to be walking in that general direction...

In my opinion...

OK, thanks.

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June Bambers body was placed here in my opinion, by the police (I have edited copy of original), you can see the bare footprint impression on the carpet that I am talking about, there are others..