New silencer tests set to cast serious doubt upon safety of convictions...

[susan]

nugnug maybe the rellies found exactly what they hoped to find

[nugnug]

yes maybe they did but why would they expect to find a blood stained silencer in the cupboard.

[Alias]

yes maybe they did but why would they expect to find a blood stained silencer in the cupboard.

Why was what they found accepted into evidence? They had it for several days, they say they didn´t tamper with it, but thing is, they COULD have, nobody knows. For that reason alone, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED INTO EVIDENCE, it is crazy!
How could an item overlooked by police, then found by relatives who had a lot to gain from a conviction of Jeremy. Boggles the mind!!!

[Caroline R]

Although I have read many documents connected with this crime, including those you refer to; I'm afraid I am one of those people that cannot trust what people say what they do or say what they did and I prefer to see what actions they actually took and their manner / mannerisms.

Nothing they said about going to the house and the discovery of the silencer should be believed IMO.

Not even your own immediate family would go through personal possessions and property straight after a murder unless the police invited them to do so; let alone members of the extended family going through a house which they didn't own immediately after a bloodbath like this one. It certainly isn't British human nature.

IMO, that silencer was an object to be urgently retrieved from probably the normal place of keeping and at some stage, evidence collected upon it; then it was returned to be amazingly discovered.

The fact that they had access to the house indicates to me that they knew the house well, so did they have keys to be able to grab the silencer a day or so before it was found? Or (me being mischievous) was it already in their possession before the shootings?

They had keys, Jeremy didn't want to go to WHF after the murders and he gave permission for Anne Eaton to basically be the trustee. They used this as an opportunity to search the house having already formed the opinion that Jeremy was lying. I don't believe they found the silencer either - they don't tell the same story and David Boutflour neglects to even mention his fathers presence whereas Robert Boutflour more or less claims he played a significant role. Plus that silencer was like a forensic magnet - blood, DNA, paint from the fire surround? The only thing it didnt have was fibres from Jeremy's wetsuit!! 

[nugnug]

Why was what they found accepted into evidence? They had it for several days, they say they didn´t tamper with it, but thing is, they COULD have, nobody knows. For that reason alone, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED INTO EVIDENCE, it is crazy!
How could an item overlooked by police, then found by relatives who had a lot to gain from a conviction of Jeremy. Boggles the mind!!!

this is also a cupboard that they knew the police had already checked why did they feel the need to check it agian.

[Jane]

They had keys, Jeremy didn't want to go to WHF after the murders and he gave permission for Anne Eaton to basically be the trustee. They used this as an opportunity to search the house having already formed the opinion that Jeremy was lying. I don't believe they found the silencer either - they don't tell the same story and David Boutflour neglects to even mention his fathers presence whereas Robert Boutflour more or less claims he played a significant role. Plus that silencer was like a forensic magnet - blood, DNA, paint from the fire surround? The only thing it didnt have was fibres from Jeremy's wetsuit!! 

But it DID have a long white hair which clearly wasn't Sheila's.

[lookout]

But it DID have a long white hair which clearly wasn't Sheila's.

April,,would you think that hair was from Nevilles' arm,after the prodding ? Neville appeared to have had hairy arms. What do you think ?

[mrstiggywinkle]

But it DID have a long white hair which clearly wasn't Sheila's.

Maybe it was Santa's.

But that aside, so what if Jeremy gave them the keys?

It doesn't mean that they had not already got a set of keys.

[susan]

mrstiggywinkle  it would appear a shortage of keys existed for WHF since a new door was fitted this is why Jeremy and others would access the house via a window from time to time.

[Jane]

Maybe it was Santa's.

But that aside, so what if Jeremy gave them the keys?

It doesn't mean that they had not already got a set of keys.

Well, I'd need to look at that one hard. I'd need to know how good was the relationship between the Bambers and Boutflowers. I imagine Nevill would have been aware of how RWB felt about Jeremy. Would there have been enough trust between them for RWB to have a set of keys? On the other hand I think it more than probable that Barbara Willson would be a keyholder so they may have "borrowed" hers..................before plucking one of Santa's hairs

[mrstiggywinkle]

If the house was, is as it appears to have been; a farm / house that had been within the extended family for many years, who is to say how many sets of keys existed? Although of course, it only takes one key.

I'm pretty sure the Bamber parents wouldn't come and go via a window either, despite how Jeremy may (or may not) have gone in and out.

[Jane]

If the house was, is as it appears to have been; a farm / house that had been within the extended family for many years, who is to say how many sets of keys existed? Although of course, it only takes one key.

I'm pretty sure the Bamber parents wouldn't come and go via a window either, despite how Jeremy may (or may not) have gone in and out.

Well within the bounds of possibility providing doors/locks hadn't been changed, but who took responsibility for keeping that information hidden?

[susan]

mrstiggywinkle  I agree don't think June and Ralph Bamber would enter the farm house through any window as they had keys.  A new door was fitted and I am sure Barbara Wilson would have had a key but don't think any other family member would have keys why would they it was not their home. I suspect Jeremy did not have a key either as it was not his home anymore.

[maggie]

If the house was, is as it appears to have been; a farm / house that had been within the extended family for many years, who is to say how many sets of keys existed? Although of course, it only takes one key.

I'm pretty sure the Bamber parents wouldn't come and go via a window either, despite how Jeremy may (or may not) have gone in and out.

You are correct Mrs Tiggywinkle, of course they didn't climb through the window,  no one ever said they did.  The fact was there was only one key to the door so no one had a spare. If June and Nevill went out they locked the door behind them as people usually do, if Jeremy or any other close family who were up to it wanted to get in they used to climb through a window. There were a couple of windows which were used, one of which was a lounge window and the other the same one Jeremy used when he was seen entering after the murders when he had forgotten his key for the new door..

[maggie]

They had keys, Jeremy didn't want to go to WHF after the murders and he gave permission for Anne Eaton to basically be the trustee. They used this as an opportunity to search the house having already formed the opinion that Jeremy was lying. I don't believe they found the silencer either - they don't tell the same story and David Boutflour neglects to even mention his fathers presence whereas Robert Boutflour more or less claims he played a significant role. Plus that silencer was like a forensic magnet - blood, DNA, paint from the fire surround? The only thing it didnt have was fibres from Jeremy's wetsuit!! 

Or a note saying Jeremy Dunnit.