The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Caroline]

Well she dismissed his plans, telling him not to be stupid. She brought the pills over months beforehand upon Jeremys request. Not believing he would do anything sinister with them. Julie said on TV 'Jeremy said things to shock people'.

Jeremy in his interview transcipts said the pills were at WHF for a period.

There is no evidence she assisted Jeremy in any way on the murder night or in preparation of the murder night.

I'm not talking about the murder night but she admits he discussed using sleeping pills to drug the family before setting the house of fire to KILL them. She provided the sleeping pills!! Doesn't that make her an accessory? She is 'actively' engaging in one of his plans whether she thinks he is being serious or not. But who would go to the trouble of obtaining the pills in the first place if they didn't have a reason for doing so and who would give them to someone talking about using them as part of a murder plot?  Even if you think Jeremy is guilty, trying to defend this action just makes you sound bloody minded!!

[Caroline]

Accessory to what. No one was drugged with sleeping pills & no house was burnt down.

Jeremy said the pills were at WHF for Julies medication.

So there is no evidence that Julie can be charged for conspiracy to murder.

It shows that she was willing to take an active part in a plan to murder the family IF such a plan were ever devised!

[Adam]

I'm not talking about the murder night but she admits he discussed using sleeping pills to drug the family before setting the house of fire to KILL them. She provided the sleeping pills!! Doesn't that make her an accessory? She is 'actively' engaging in one of his plans whether she thinks he is being serious or not. But who would go to the trouble of obtaining the pills in the first place if they didn't have a reason for doing so and who would give them to someone talking about using them as part of a murder plot?  Even if you think Jeremy is guilty, trying to defend this action just makes you sound bloody minded!!

My understanding is Julie already had the pills. After Jeremy found out he asked for some.

Julie talked Jeremy out of the drugging, house burning idea. Saying there were valuble uninsured items, it would be difficult to set such a big house on fire & someone might see the big house burning. Jeremy also realised the pills were not strong enough after trying them.

[Jane]

My understanding is Julie already had the pills. After Jeremy found out he asked for some.

Julie talked Jeremy out of the drugging, house burning idea. Saying there were valuble uninsured items, it would be difficult to set such a big house on fire & someone might see the big house burning. Jeremy also realised the pills were not strong enough after trying them.

Adam, wearing my counsellor cloak, I can only tell you that IF Julie said what YOU are saying she did, she was actually giving him permission to look for another way of doing it because NOWHERE have you said that she told him how wicked a thought it was and if he mentioned it again, she'd leave him. OH. She couldn't, could she, because SHE'D provided him with the sleeping pills.

[Adam]

Do people believe Julie indirectly motivated Jeremy to commit the crimes ?

I mentioned before that she continuously dismissed his plans. Even on the night she said 'don't be so stupid' & 'go to bed'. Not being taken seriously again may have been the final motivator.

[Caroline]

My understanding is Julie already had the pills. After Jeremy found out he asked for some.

Julie talked Jeremy out of the drugging, house burning idea. Saying there were valuble uninsured items, it would be difficult to set such a big house on fire & someone might see the big house burning. Jeremy also realised the pills were not strong enough after trying them.

Eh? That's not what happened at all - that's not even what she said happened!!!! She didn't say she had the pills first! And she said he actually TRIED to drug his parents but that the pills didn't work and it was HE who realised about valuables being destroyed. Stop trying to rewrite things to suit your argument - we aren't idiots here!!

[Adam]

Adam, wearing my counsellor cloak, I can only tell you that IF Julie said what YOU are saying she did, she was actually giving him permission to look for another way of doing it because NOWHERE have you said that she told him how wicked a thought it was and if he mentioned it again, she'd leave him. OH. She couldn't, could she, because SHE'D provided him with the sleeping pills.

She did ask Jeremy to not speak about it & said she did not like him speaking about it. But Jeremy's hatred & resentment was too strong.

[Caroline]

Do people believe Julie indirectly motivated Jeremy to commit the crimes ?

I mentioned before that she continuously dismissed his plans. Even on the night she said 'don't be so stupid' & 'go to bed'. Not being taken seriously again may have been the final motivator.

Someone who would continually JUST dismiss such plans is in my mind, either lying or frankly a complete idiot!

[Adam]

Eh? That's not what happened at all - that's not even what she said happened!!!! She didn't say she had the pills first! And she said he actually TRIED to drug his parents but that the pills didn't work and it was HE who realised about valuables being destroyed. Stop trying to rewrite things to suit your argument - we aren't idiots here!!

Whose pills were they ? Why didn't Jeremy just get his own pills if Julie did not have any ?

[Jane]

Do people believe Julie indirectly motivated Jeremy to commit the crimes ?

I mentioned before that she continuously dismissed his plans. Even on the night she said 'don't be so stupid' & 'go to bed'. Not being taken seriously again may have been the final motivator.
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A rather STUPID question given that most of us don't believe Jeremy committed the crime anyway. However, in her fantasy world of "Loads a money" Julie MAY have dreamed that he might.

[Adam]

Someone who would continually JUST dismiss such plans is in my mind, either lying or frankly a complete idiot!

This may also explain the 3am call. After Julie had again dismissed his talk earlier on, he wanted to boast that he was not just all talk.

[Jane]

Whose pills were they ? Why didn't Jeremy just get his own pills if Julie did not have any ?

Why don't you go and read Julie's statement. You post rubbish of your own making insisting it's truth, yet ask US questions that if you had any real interest in this case, you'd know the answers to.

[Adam]

Why don't you go and read Julie's statement. You post rubbish of your own making insisting it's truth, yet ask US questions that if you had any real interest in this case, you'd know the answers to.

Jeremy said in the interview transcript the sleeping pills were Julie's medication. So they were Julies.

Julie said some were given to Jeremy. He tried them on himself but thought they were useless.

[Caroline]

Whose pills were they ? Why didn't Jeremy just get his own pills if Julie did not have any ?

If the pills were ever in the equation and not dreamed up out of Julie's vivid imagination - he obviously didn't need to get his own pills - Julie obliged!! 

[Adam]

If the pills were ever in the equation and not dreamed up out of Julie's vivid imagination - he obviously didn't need to get his own pills - Julie obliged!!

The pills did exist.

Julie said so in her statement.

Jeremy said so in his  interview transcript.