The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[susan]

Morning jansus  correct a rifle shot makes very little noise and that is a fact ADAM.

[maggie]

I tell you what someone said (it is in Jeremys interview transcript). Because it does not supportJeremy you say he is not telling the truth.

I didn't say he wasn't telling the truth I am saying he MAY not be telling the truth. If I told you something by pm there is no reason for you to blindly believe I was telling the truth, surely? I may be or may not be or I may be mistaken etc. You have to keep an open mind.

[Adam]

Morning jansus  correct a rifle shot makes very little noise and that is a fact ADAM.

The judge would have gone by what was said in court in a 19 day trial. The information given to him must have been wrong. Sloppy work all round.

[Adam]

I didn't say he wasn't telling the truth I am saying he MAY not be telling the truth. If I told you something by pm there is no reason for you to blindly believe I was telling the truth, surely? I may be or may not be or I may be mistaken etc. You have to keep an open mind.

Pargeter just has to prove he was at the house the weekend before the murders. It is up to the jurors & police whether he saw the rifle. People often tell the truth when making statements as witnesses to police or testifying in court.

[Jane]

Mugford 'did not' know Jeremy was intending to kill his family.

She knew he hated and resented them. However she always dismissed his plans as waffle. On TV Julie said Jeremy liked to say things to shock people.

Jeremy's silly plan to drug & burn the house down was thought to be not feasible. Even if Jeremy wanted to get rid of his family, Julie would have felt Jeremy was not clever enough.

So she provided him with the sleeping pills just in case he SHOULD wish to kill them, did she?

[Adam]

So she provide him with the sleeping pills just in case he SHOULD wish to kill them, did she?

Jeremy said no. She brought the pills for her own medication.

[Roch]

Adam, any chance of a reply to post 2788, regarding the oh so truthful relatives?

[maggie]

Pargeter just has to prove he was at the house the weekend before the murders. It is up to the jurors & police whether he saw the rifle. People often tell the truth when making statements as witnesses to police or testifying in court.

I am not disagreeing but you are accepting his words as gospel while I am leaving a possibility he was mistaken. Beyond that, if the sights were off we have no idea why, or who removed them ...... that is a fact.

[Jane]

Jeremy said no. She brought the pills for her own medication.

Stop making it up as you go. She got the prescription from her gp. She took ONE and knowing what she said Jeremy had planned, just HAPPENED to convey to him that she had sleeping pills that she wasn't taking. Given that she wasn't taking them, and given that she says she KNEW what Jeremywas planning, HOW did the find their way to Jeremy's house when she visited?

[Adam]

Stop making it up as you go. She got the prescription from her gp. She took ONE and knowing what she said Jeremy had planned, just HAPPENED to convey to him that she had sleeping pills that she wasn't taking. Given that she wasn't taking them, and given that she says she KNEW what Jeremywas planning, HOW did the find their way to Jeremy's house when she visited?

Good point. Jeremy must have asked Julie to bring them over. He wanted to see if they were atrong enough to knock out his family. He realised they were not. So worked out his murder/suicide plan.

[Caroline]

Good point. Jeremy must have asked Julie to bring them over. He wanted to see if they were atrong enough to knock out his family. He realised they were not. So worked out his murder/suicide plan.

So you're admitting she was an accessory?

[Adam]

So you're admitting she was an accessory?

Well she dismissed his plans, telling him not to be stupid. She brought the pills over months beforehand upon Jeremys request. Not believing he would do anything sinister with them. Julie said on TV 'Jeremy said things to shock people'.

Jeremy in his interview transcipts said the pills were at WHF for a period.

There is no evidence she assisted Jeremy in any way on the murder night or in preparation of the murder night.

[Jane]

Good point. Jeremy must have asked Julie to bring them over. He wanted to see if they were atrong enough to knock out his family. He realised they were not. So worked out his murder/suicide plan.

So you're saying that IF what she said was the truth, OF HER OWN VOLITION, having freedom of choice, she provided him with the potential means of killing his family. What would that make her Adam? That's right. Clever you. It makes her an accessory!!!!!

[Jane]

Adam, in case you'd forgotten/thought to slither out of it, you've yet to respond to post 2788.

[Adam]

So you're saying that IF what she said was the truth, OF HER OWN VOLITION, having freedom of choice, she provided him with the potential means of killing his family. What would that make her Adam? That's right. Clever you. It makes her an accessory!!!!!

Accessory to what. No one was drugged with sleeping pills & no house was burnt down.

Jeremy said the pills were at WHF for Julies medication.

So there is no evidence that Julie can be charged for conspiracy to murder. She also volunteed this information to the police.