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Offline grahameb

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2580 on: December 25, 2013, 01:23:PM »
Grahame, the piece of wood from the butt of the rifle (Anschutz) - possibly broken off in the melee from striking the Aga, was this used to wedge the door, in front of which Nevill was slumped?
Has JB ever said a wedge was used for keeping that door open?

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We need a new wedge to keep this door open. Ah! I know. We'll just strike this gun against the Aga and use that. ;D ;D

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« Reply #2581 on: December 26, 2013, 02:57:PM »
I have not read that Neville was not beaten. Jeremys supporters say Sheila did this after shooting & killing Neville in the head downstairs.

Neville had two black eyes. Damaged jaw, teeth, neck & larynx. The rifle had a dent on, probably from Nevilles head. The judge said the rifle caused some severe injuries to Neville. Not sure how three rifle bullets causes all those injuries to Neville.

I do not believe Neville was shot in the head upstairs. The pathologist in court said a head shot would make it not possible to go up or down stairs.

The four shots upstairs hit Neville in the torso. Another shot on the stairs hit Neville in the back. There was then a big kitchen fight between a fired up Jeremy who had run out of bullets & an injured Neville.The judge said Neville put up a fight for life. Jeremy had to stop him using the phone so there was no time to load.




So what happened to the blood, hair and tissue which would have been attached?

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« Reply #2582 on: December 26, 2013, 03:08:PM »



So what happened to the blood, hair and tissue which would have been attached?
It's an interesting question April. There's no record of tests and results on the rifle butt, just a suggestion the injuries were caused by beating. Shots to Nevills head could have caused trauma injuries such as black eyes. Nevill was a heavy weight, if he fell heavily on his face he could have suffered severe injuries. :-\

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« Reply #2583 on: December 26, 2013, 03:17:PM »
Would a rifle butt blow on the head leave any evidence. It is not like a knife going into someones flesh.
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« Reply #2584 on: December 26, 2013, 03:30:PM »
Would a rifle butt blow on the head leave any evidence. It is not like a knife going into someones flesh.




I can't imagine why you think it wouldn't. It isn't unknown for a person to be killed that way. I could demonstrate on your head if you'd like me to prove my point.

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« Reply #2585 on: December 26, 2013, 04:11:PM »
That would be nice.
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« Reply #2586 on: December 26, 2013, 04:19:PM »
That would be nice.



If you've ever banged your head to the point where blood has flowed, and it doesn't require a knife, you'll know that the scalp bleeds very freely. Under the fleshless skin are a myriad of blood vessels which quickly give up their contents. I wouldn't have hit you very hard. I wouldn't have needed to.

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« Reply #2587 on: December 26, 2013, 04:24:PM »


If you've ever banged your head to the point where blood has flowed, and it doesn't require a knife, you'll know that the scalp bleeds very freely. Under the fleshless skin are a myriad of blood vessels which quickly give up their contents. I wouldn't have hit you very hard. I wouldn't have needed to.

Don't bang my face and ruin my good looks.
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« Reply #2588 on: December 26, 2013, 04:26:PM »
Don't bang my face and ruin my good looks.



That would be too cruel.

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« Reply #2589 on: December 26, 2013, 04:51:PM »
If you've ever banged your head to the point where blood has flowed, . . . you'll know that the scalp bleeds very freely. Under the fleshless skin are a myriad of blood vessels which quickly give up their contents.
The "fleshless skin"? What other type of skin were you distinguishing it from? Anyway, the blood vessels in the scalp are mostly small, so though bleeding can occur quite easily, it's likely not to be very heavy.

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« Reply #2590 on: December 26, 2013, 04:53:PM »
The "fleshless skin"? What other type of skin were you distinguishing it from? Anyway, the blood vessels in the scalp are mostly small, so though bleeding can occur quite easily, it's likely not to be very heavy.
Facial and mouth injuries bleed profusely.

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« Reply #2591 on: December 26, 2013, 04:54:PM »
The "fleshless skin"? What other type of skin were you distinguishing it from? Anyway, the blood vessels in the scalp are mostly small, so though bleeding can occur quite easily, it's likely not to be very heavy.
You should have seen my scalp when I banged my head on a tap. Blood everywhere. ;D

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« Reply #2592 on: December 26, 2013, 04:57:PM »
You should have seen my scalp when I banged my head on a tap. Blood everywhere. ;D
Ow! Ow! Ow! Grahame, i felt that!!

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« Reply #2593 on: December 26, 2013, 05:00:PM »
The "fleshless skin"? What other type of skin were you distinguishing it from? Anyway, the blood vessels in the scalp are mostly small, so though bleeding can occur quite easily, it's likely not to be very heavy.




In most other areas of the body, with the exception of the shins, there is flesh. Shins, like the scalp, bleed freely when the skin tears and can be difficult to hold together. Having coped with tears in the scalp, I can vouch for how how long they can go on bleeding.

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« Reply #2594 on: December 26, 2013, 05:05:PM »



In most other areas of the body, with the exception of the shins, there is flesh. Shins, like the scalp, bleed freely when the skin tears and can be difficult to hold together. Having coped with tears in the scalp, I can vouch for how how long they can go on bleeding.
Yeah April have had bright red hair myself :)