The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Jane]

Sheila went without protest to char for Ann Eaton at the behest of June. She was a good-natured,easily-led if sick young woman,rather vacant who liked to do her nails and look pretty. She wouldn't touch a gun in case a nail broke. We have several witnesses including James Richards,John Seabrook,Chris Nevill, not to mention Julie and her crowd who knew Jeremy's behaviour and attitude towards his family.

First question, Steve. HOW do you know she went without protest. Whilst it may have turned out favourably, I find it hard to believe that any fashion/NAIL conscious young woman would welcome being offered as a char for another family member. If she wouldn't touch a gun in case a nail broke, she sure as hell wouldn't have wanted to do housework.

I would follow that the only reason that we don't know what Sheila may, or not have had to say about her parents, is because nobody was asked. By the time it went to trial, Sheila had become the victim so it stands to reason that nobody would WISH to know anything which would cloud her reputation as a quiescent, but troubled daughter.

[maggie]

Sheila went without protest to char for Ann Eaton at the behest of June. She was a good-natured,easily-led if sick young woman,rather vacant who liked to do her nails and look pretty. She wouldn't touch a gun in case a nail broke. We have several witnesses including James Richards,John Seabrook,Chris Nevill, not to mention Julie and her crowd who knew Jeremy's behaviour and attitude towards his family.

Why do you say Sheila was vacant? Is this because she was pretty Steve or just to reinforce the fact that her vacant appearance around the time of the murders was not unusual?  I am sure Sheila had plenty about her as her natural family were intelligent, successful people.  Unfortunately Sheila's illness was a tragedy in her life imo it began developing in her teens causing her problems managing her life and increasing dramatically after the birth of the twins.
Julie's 'crowd' were not close friends of Jeremy's but just aquaintances, they had no idea about Jeremy's real life and relationship with his parents. imo

[Jan]

Jeremy had an answering machine. It would be permanently on.


Adam - you stated the above- as a fact- where is the proof???

[susan]

jansus it says that on his autocue so he keeps reading whatever comes up that is why he repeats himself so much

[Alias]

Sheila went without protest to char for Ann Eaton at the behest of June. She was a good-natured,easily-led if sick young woman,rather vacant who liked to do her nails and look pretty. She wouldn't touch a gun in case a nail broke. We have several witnesses including James Richards,John Seabrook,Chris Nevill, not to mention Julie and her crowd who knew Jeremy's behaviour and attitude towards his family.

This is very condescending towards Sheila. I think she was a lot deeper than you think and a lot smarter. You basically paint a picture of her as a babbling zombie-like idiot.
Posts like this make me feel sad for Sheila.

[Alias]

Why do you say Sheila was vacant? Is this because she was pretty Steve or just to reinforce the fact that her vacant appearance around the time of the murders was not unusual?  I am sure Sheila had plenty about her as her natural family were intelligent, successful people.  Unfortunately Sheila's illness was a tragedy in her life imo it began developing in her teens causing her problems managing her life and increasing dramatically after the birth of the twins.
Julie's 'crowd' were not close friends of Jeremy's but just aquaintances, they had no idea about Jeremy's real life and relationship with his parents. imo

Well said, Maggie. She came from an intelligent, successful family, but pretty girls cannot be smart, can they?! <---- irony (not sure everyone around here understand irony.  )

[Jane]

Well said, Maggie. She came from an intelligent, successful family, but pretty girls cannot be smart, can they?! <---- irony (not sure everyone around here understand irony.  )

Some of us are quite well versed in it, Alias :D

[Alias]

Some of us are quite well versed in it, Alias :D

Yes, aren´t we just that! 

[Steve_uk]

apparently according to her friend and confidant she had a deep dislike of her step mother

Whilst I was there she telephoned Tara, a close friend. She was apologizing to Tara for a religious book that her step mother had dropped off at Tara's house a couple of days previously. During the call the phone went dead. Sheila suddenly became hysterical mumbling about the phone bugged. She became like someone possessed ranting and raving. She was striking herself and beating the wall with her fists.I tried to calm her but she did not seem to hear me...

(3) - I became extremely frightened not only for her but for myself...

(4) - She kept talking about the devil and god, and stating that God was sitting opposite her and unlike what her stepmother said he in fact loved her...

(5) - I contacted her ex- mother in law and asked her to come around. This aggravated the situation and Sheila became even more violent and abusive...



so why do you  decide to pick and chose the bits that you think fit your case??

I am fully aware of schizophrenia(please get over that word along with the other 99% of the population). The salient point is statistically they represent far more of a harm to themselves than others and in my opinion Sheila falls within this category.

[Jane]

I am fully aware of schizophrenia(please get over that word along with the other 99% of the population). The salient point is statistically they represent far more of a harm to themselves than others and in my opinion Sheila falls within this category.

I have absolutely no need to "get over that word" Steve. and I'll go a step further and agree with your "statistics" BUT having done stats, I'm more than aware of how they can be made to work, so whilst I can go along with sufferers representing more harm to themselves than others, it doesn't by ANY stretch of the imagination mean that they DON'T represent danger to others if they feel threatened, be it real or imagined.

[Steve_uk]

First question, Steve. HOW do you know she went without protest. Whilst it may have turned out favourably, I find it hard to believe that any fashion/NAIL conscious young woman would welcome being offered as a char for another family member. If she wouldn't touch a gun in case a nail broke, she sure as hell wouldn't have wanted to do housework.

I would follow that the only reason that we don't know what Sheila may, or not have had to say about her parents, is because nobody was asked. By the time it went to trial, Sheila had become the victim so it stands to reason that nobody would WISH to know anything which would cloud her reputation as a quiescent, but troubled daughter.

Much of it did come out in court,a tightrope the Defence trod so as not to blacken the  Police's reputation. Sheila asked Ann to take a photograph of her so as to spare June's feelings. She discharged herself from hospital so her birth mother would not meet her in such a location.

[Jane]

Much of it did come out in court,a tightrope the Defence trod so asnot to blacken the  Police's reputation. sheila asked Ann to take a photograph of her so as to spare June's feelings. She discharged herself from hospital so her birth mother would not meet her in such a location.

Steve, "much of it" is nowhere NEAR enough when the judge reminded the jury that the perpetrator could only be EITHER Sheila or Jeremy. That being the case, EVERYTHING pertaining to Sheila SHOULD have been revealed, NOT just the sanitized bits and it seems there was as much reason for Sheila to be on trial, as Jeremy.

[Adam]

Adam I only said you should check yourself because I felt april was getting weary of looking up things for you and she needs a little rest

People either know something or they don't. I ask questions sometimes. It is a discussion forum.I do not ask anyone to look up things for me.

[Jan]

my question 2586?

[Adam]

Jeremy´s phone was by the kitchen door downstairs - he says so himself in a radio interview from prison.
So that is cleared up - happy to help, and don´t come back at me, Adam, in atteck mode saying I don´t answer you.
More than that I don´t know. (just listened to the interview.)

Kitchen door downstairs. Thank you.

That is very interesting.

Firstly it makes it even less likely Neville will call. He will know Jeremy is fast asleep. His phone is downstairs. If he does answer, it will not be for a long time.

Secondly there is no possibility Jeremy will wake up, decide to answer the phone, turn the lights on and walk downstairs,  before the answer machine has come on.

Neville did 'Not' make the call.