The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Jane]

You have not answered me.

I asked which room was Jeremys phone in & how many rings did it take until the answer machine started working.

Also the type of phone he had.

No one answered except Susan who said I should check myself.

So why haven't you?

[Alias]

Alias can't you see the venom comes from the very man you purport to defend? Sheila never said any such things about her relatives. Jeremy was a City boy,an outsider lucky to live in a low crime environment,which I see in the latest Halifax survey is a situation which pertains to this day.

Jeremy was a farmer´s son, a country boy, not a city boy.
I haven´t seen any venom from Jeremy - I don´t think he committed the murders. Can´t be 100% sure, but I cannot see how he could have done it. I don´t think I use much time "defending" Jeremy, just talking about aspects of this case. It is not personal for me as it seems to be for some of you here.
I think it is a possible GRAVE moj, that is why I took an interest in the case.

[Jan]

Is this case close to you personally? You started out here by saying that you had an open mind, but progressively you spew more and more venom, which comes across as pure hatred of Jeremy, a man you allegedly don´t know.
It puzzles me. I have no feelings regarding Jeremy. I do not know him. I am not 100% sure he did not commit the murders, but most things tell me he did not. I might be wrong, he may have done it (with an accomplice for me to see it as possible at all). I don´t love him, I don´t hate him - he is a man who is possibly in jail for life for a crime he did not commit, and that is why this case interests me.
Don´t understand the venom.

good post- I agree entirely

[Alias]

You have not answered me.

I asked which room was Jeremys phone in & how many rings did it take until the answer machine started working.

Also the type of phone he had.

No one answered except Susan who said I should check myself.

Really, we have no way of knowing, do we? It is hard to discuss something on which we have zero information!

[susan]

Adam I only said you should check yourself because I felt april was getting weary of looking up things for you and she needs a little rest

[susan]

Alias/jansus  I second that entirely

[Jane]

Alias can't you see the venom comes from the very man you purport to defend? Sheila never said any such things about her relatives. Jeremy was a City boy,an outsider lucky to live in a low crime environment,which I see in the latest Halifax survey is a situation which pertains to this day.

Actually, Steve, NO. Any venom appears to emanate from yourself. It appears that I'm not alone in my feeling that for you this is personal. We don't know what Sheila may, or not have said about her parents, but if we examine the life she seemed to want to lead and compare it with the life her parents wanted her to lead, I imagine that, like most young who are trying to assert themselves on  the world, her view of them was less than favourable.

[Jan]

We've seen it, but the jury never saw it. Its wording wasn't discussed at the trial.
That's a reasonable question, but we don't know whether the answering machine was in use at the time. Jeremy seems not to have been asked about that and not to have made any comment about it either. Some people routinely disconnect their answering machine when they get home.

Sorry I should have been clearer - I meant steve and adam chose to ignore those logs - or anything else that they chose

[Jan]

I have never met one person who turns their answering machine off & on.

His answering machine was on. Read my post above. Neville would have to leave a message.

Where is the proof his answer machine was switched on and how many rings it had ?

[susan]

Adam you have met one now

[Alias]

Jeremy´s phone was by the kitchen door downstairs - he says so himself in a radio interview from prison.
So that is cleared up - happy to help, and don´t come back at me, Adam, in atteck mode saying I don´t answer you.
More than that I don´t know. (just listened to the interview.)

[maggie]

Jeremy´s phone was by the kitchen door downstairs - he says so himself in a radio interview from prison.
So that is cleared up - happy to help, and don´t come back at me, Adam, in atteck mode saying I don´t answer you.
More than that I don´t know. (just listened to the interview.)

Thanks for that Alias    I believe Jeremy's cottage was very small so he wouldn't have been far away from it even if he was asleep upstairs.

[Alias]

Thanks for that Alias    I believe Jeremy's cottage was very small so he wouldn't have been far away from it even if he was asleep upstairs.

I was just about to write that - his house was tiny.

[Steve_uk]

Actually, Steve, NO. Any venom appears to emanate from yourself. It appears that I'm not alone in my feeling that for you this is personal. We don't know what Sheila may, or not have said about her parents, but if we examine the life she seemed to want to lead and compare it with the life her parents wanted her to lead, I imagine that, like most young who are trying to assert themselves on  the world, her view of them was less than favourable.

Sheila went without protest to char for Ann Eaton at the behest of June. She was a good-natured,easily-led if sick young woman,rather vacant who liked to do her nails and look pretty. She wouldn't touch a gun in case a nail broke. We have several witnesses including James Richards,John Seabrook,Chris Nevill, not to mention Julie and her crowd who knew Jeremy's behaviour and attitude towards his family.

[Jan]

apparently according to her friend and confidant she had a deep dislike of her step mother

Whilst I was there she telephoned Tara, a close friend. She was apologizing to Tara for a religious book that her step mother had dropped off at Tara's house a couple of days previously. During the call the phone went dead. Sheila suddenly became hysterical mumbling about the phone bugged. She became like someone possessed ranting and raving. She was striking herself and beating the wall with her fists.I tried to calm her but she did not seem to hear me...

(3) - I became extremely frightened not only for her but for myself...

(4) - She kept talking about the devil and god, and stating that God was sitting opposite her and unlike what her stepmother said he in fact loved her...

(5) - I contacted her ex- mother in law and asked her to come around. This aggravated the situation and Sheila became even more violent and abusive...



so why do you  decide to pick and chose the bits that you think fit your case??