The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Alias]

But Sheila was a 'nutter' who got everything for nothing,  Neville 'ready to be put to pasture' & June a 'religious maniac' he never spoke to.

Is this case close to you personally? You started out here by saying that you had an open mind, but progressively you spew more and more venom, which comes across as pure hatred of Jeremy, a man you allegedly don´t know.
It puzzles me. I have no feelings regarding Jeremy. I do not know him. I am not 100% sure he did not commit the murders, but most things tell me he did not. I might be wrong, he may have done it (with an accomplice for me to see it as possible at all). I don´t love him, I don´t hate him - he is a man who is possibly in jail for life for a crime he did not commit, and that is why this case interests me.
Don´t understand the venom.

[Steve_uk]

I find that in bad taste Adam as Suzette Ford had a number of miscarriages when she was with Jeremy. Jeremy as an adopted child may very well have had a strong urge to have a child with a blood connection, in my experience that's quite usual and understandable.
It's a pity you turn all your arguments into a sneer imo

I'm not sneering:in fact had Jeremy been successful at having children with Sue Ford  it might have saved a good deal of heartache..

[Alias]

Let's be generous & say the phone rang 5 times before the answer machine clicked.

It will take 3 or 4 rings until someone wakes up from sleeping 'like a log'. Once you realise the phone is ringing you then either ignore it, or check the time & put the light on while still waking up.  Either way the answer machine has started working.

So why was there no message from Neville on Jeremys answer machine ?

It was turned off. Now, stop this.

[Adam]

In my opinion and experience MOST people would answer a phonecall at 3am for the simple reason that it is an unusual time for a call and could be an emergency.

"Sleeping like a log" is just an expression and sleep varies from person to person. None of us know if Jeremy was easily awoken. It is a waste of time pondering this!

I don´t think a lot of people would let an answering machine do its job when the phone rings at 3am, same reason as the first paragraph. Besides, we don´t know whether Jeremy had turned off his answering machine, whether it was full or whatever. You cannot prove anything by this.

You don´t know how Jeremy´s answering machine operated. You don´t know whether it was on or off.

Jeremy had an answering machine. It would be permanently on.

An answering machine would be espescially benificial in the 80's at night. It would stop a phone continuously ringing.

Jeremy receiving a call from Neville when he had an answering machine makes it even less likely Neville made the 'mysterious' call.

[grahameb]

Perhaps Jeremy did not receive a call from Neville ?

Judge Drake did call it 'mysterious'.

But Jeremy said he is innocent.

Not much of an alibi is it? Silly Bamber. And after planning it for a whole year as well.

[Alias]

Jeremy had an answering machine. It would be permanently on.

An answering machine would be espescially benificial in the 80's at night. It would stop a phone continuously ringing.

Jeremy receiving a call from Neville when he had an answering machine makes it even less likely Neville made the 'mysterious' call.

You do not know any of this, yet you go on and on and on about it, It is getting tedious. I think we have all answered you on this point.

[maggie]

That was Steves post.

Oh okay sorry Adam. 

[susan]

steve that is not true many males are careless and get their woman pregnant as a result of this. I would say Jeremy was just an immature boy and not ready to be a Father but as you said maybe if he had what a difference it would have made.

[Adam]

It was turned off. Now, stop this.

I have never met one person who turns their answering machine off & on.

His answering machine was on. Read my post above. Neville would have to leave a message.

[grahameb]

You think Jeremy woke up, got up & answered the phone before Neville could leave a message.

What bad luck for Jeremy.

That's a good point actually. I wonder how many times Jeremy's answer phone was set to ring before being picked up? That I think deserves an answer. Anyone?

[Steve_uk]

Is this case close to you personally? You started out here by saying that you had an open mind, but progressively you spew more and more venom, which comes across as pure hatred of Jeremy, a man you allegedly don´t know.
It puzzles me. I have no feelings regarding Jeremy. I do not know him. I am not 100% sure he did not commit the murders, but most things tell me he did not. I might be wrong, he may have done it (with an accomplice for me to see it as possible at all). I don´t love him, I don´t hate him - he is a man who is possibly in jail for life for a crime he did not commit, and that is why this case interests me.
Don´t understand the venom.

Alias can't you see the venom comes from the very man you purport to defend? Sheila never said any such things about her relatives. Jeremy was a City boy,an outsider lucky to live in a low crime environment,which I see in the latest Halifax survey is a situation which pertains to this day.

[maggie]

Hi Maggie sorry I did not intend to turn the lets make babies into a joke but I just don't think Jeremy would have been ready or mature enough to be a Father and it was not long after he took a year out in New Zealand.  I know so many young men of that age who become Fathers due to being careless and they are not ready to be tied down. But who knows had he become a Father how different his life would have been.

You didn't offend me at all susan, I was just reminding Adam but I got that wrong as well because it was Steve's post.  Oh well, just ignore me 

[susan]

Maggie  OK we will pretend you are not there

[Adam]

You do not know any of this, yet you go on and on and on about it, It is getting tedious. I think we have all answered you on this point.

You have not answered me.

I asked which room was Jeremys phone in & how many rings did it take until the answer machine started working.

Also the type of phone he had.

No one answered except Susan who said I should check myself.

[maggie]

Maggie  OK we will pretend you are not there

I;m sort of not Susan