The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Adam]

And some people would Adam so it is a poor argument imo.

You think Jeremy woke up, got up & answered the phone before Neville could leave a message.

What bad luck for Jeremy.

[susan]

Adam have you got an autocue

[Jane]

A lot of people would ignore a 3am phone call.
JUST AS MANY WOULDN'T

A lot of people 'sleeping like a log' would not hear it.
 JUST AS MANY WOULD

A lot of people with answering machines would let it do it's job.
RARELY, I SUSPECT, AT THAT HOUR

A lot of people would not get to the phone before the answering machine clicked in.
JUST AS MANY WOULD

[maggie]

You think Jeremy woke up, got up & answered the phone before Neville could leave a message.

What bad luck for Jeremy.

As mentioned before we do NOT know if the machine was switched on or how long the phone rang before it switched to the answer machine.

You make far too many assumptions Adam. 

[Adam]

I would and do always answer calls in the night as I never know who in my family or friends may be in trouble and need help.

But Sheila was a 'nutter' who got everything for nothing,  Neville 'ready to be put to pasture' & June a 'religious maniac' he never spoke to.

[susan]

steve  when a man says lets make babies I know what is on his mind and it aint babies it is just a polite way of you know what wink wink

[maggie]

But Sheila was a 'nutter' who gotveverything for nothing,  Neville 'ready to be put to pasture' & June a 'religious maniac' he never spoke to.

As I said, you make too many assumptions, you quote phrases and facts from things you have read which may very well be no more than hearsay and then present it all as the truth.

[Jane]

But Jeremy's catchphrase was "let's make babies" and it was under his instruction that Sue Ford allegedly became pregnant,possibly not wanting more children after already having three of her own.

I'm truly not certain what "pillow talk" between ex lovers can add to the debate. Things get said between the sheets which have no relevance to anything in the cold light of day.

[Adam]

As mentioned before we do NOT know if the machine was switched on or how long the phone rang before it switched to the answer machine.

You make far too many assumptions Adam.

Well I asked if anyone had any information on this important issue. Susan said I should not ask.

[maggie]

But Jeremy's catchphrase was "let's make babies" and it was under his instruction that Sue Ford allegedly became pregnant,possibly not wanting more children after already having three of her own.

I find that in bad taste Adam as Suzette Ford had a number of miscarriages when she was with Jeremy. Jeremy as an adopted child may very well have had a strong urge to have a child with a blood connection, in my experience that's quite usual and understandable.
It's a pity you turn all your arguments into a sneer imo

[Alias]

A lot of people would ignore a 3am phone call.

A lot of people 'sleeping like a log' would not hear it.

A lot of people with answering machines would let it do it's job.

A lot of people would not get to the phone before the answering machine clicked in.

In my opinion and experience MOST people would answer a phonecall at 3am for the simple reason that it is an unusual time for a call and could be an emergency.

"Sleeping like a log" is just an expression and sleep varies from person to person. None of us know if Jeremy was easily awoken. It is a waste of time pondering this!

I don´t think a lot of people would let an answering machine do its job when the phone rings at 3am, same reason as the first paragraph. Besides, we don´t know whether Jeremy had turned off his answering machine, whether it was full or whatever. You cannot prove anything by this.

You don´t know how Jeremy´s answering machine operated. You don´t know whether it was on or off.

[Adam]

Let's be generous & say the phone rang 5 times before the answer machine clicked.

It will take 3 or 4 rings until someone wakes up from sleeping 'like a log'. Once you realise the phone is ringing you then either ignore it, or check the time & put the light on while still waking up.  Either way the answer machine has started working.

So why was there no message from Neville on Jeremys answer machine ?

[Adam]

I find that in bad taste Adam as Suzette Ford had a number of miscarriages when she was with Jeremy. Jeremy as an adopted child may very well have had a strong urge to have a child with a blood connection, in my experience that's quite usual and understandable.
It's a pity you turn all your arguments into a sneer imo

That was Steves post.

[Steve_uk]

steve  when a man says lets make babies I know what is on his mind and it aint babies it is just a polite way of you know what wink wink

That may be true,but Sue Ford is reported as having suffered three miscarriages so it's evident they were trying for children.

[susan]

Hi Maggie sorry I did not intend to turn the lets make babies into a joke but I just don't think Jeremy would have been ready or mature enough to be a Father and it was not long after he took a year out in New Zealand.  I know so many young men of that age who become Fathers due to being careless and they are not ready to be tied down. But who knows had he become a Father how different his life would have been.