The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Jane]

They are all reasonable points Adam makes. From what we know of Jeremy he couldn't wait to get away  from the farm on a daily basis,his car always being described as speeding away from the  farm. I would have thought under  these circumstances even at 3am Jeremy would have been the type to wait for the caller to speak and then pick up,thus leaving some record of Nevill's  call.

Steve, nothing in the first part of your post in any way proves that Jeremy "couldn't wait to get away from the farm" MOST young men drive to fast because MOST young men like to show off. For the second part, I wonder just how many of us would have ignored a 3 am phone call. The timing itself suggests emergency to me, especially back then when cold calls weren't the accepted norm.

[Adam]

Adam go and look and do not expect poor april to do all your research she has done so much for you already

I thought people shared information on discussion forums.

Look at my 'judges summing up' & my thread yesterday. Lots of information I provided.

[Adam]

That's possible. He gave details of the television programmes he watched,so we know he did not fall asleep in his chair as some after a hard day's work are wont to do. Was the programme on miscarriages the trigger,with Jeremy recollecting Sue Ford's miscarriages and the children Jeremy never had,whilst Sheila had two installed at the White House that very moment. Did Jeremy reach for the cocaine as he steeled himself for that dastardly nocturnal journey and a way out of his current lifestyle which could only be endured at best through the ingestion of central nervous system stimulants,as he determined there and then that he would henceforth be master of his own destiny..

The police found the information Jeremy gave on the TV programmes he said he watched were not correct.

[Alias]

I thought people shared information on discussion forums.

Look at my 'judges summing up' & my thread yesterday. Lots of information I provided.

What do you mean? It´s just your opinion, at least the "judge´s summing up" - don´t know what thread you put up yesterday, so I wouldn´t know about that.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, nothing in the first part of your post in any way proves that Jeremy "couldn't wait to get away from the farm" MOST young men drive to fast because MOST young men like to show off. For the second part, I wonder just how many of us would have ignored a 3 am phone call. The timing itself suggests emergency to me, especially back then when cold calls weren't the accepted norm.

That's possible but to me Jeremy is in some time warp engendered firstly by his parents' lifestyle and then public school in which time seems to stand still. An answerphone would be a technological breakthrough of sorts for Jeremy,which is part of his foolproof plan to outwit everyone and escape the farming lifestyle to boot.

[Jane]

That's possible. He gave details of the television programmes he watched,so we know he did not fall asleep in his chair as some after a hard day's work are wont to do. Was the programme on miscarriages the trigger,with Jeremy recollecting Sue Ford's miscarriages and the children Jeremy never had,whilst Sheila had two installed at the White House that very moment. Did Jeremy reach for the cocaine as he steeled himself for that dastardly nocturnal journey and a way out of his current lifestyle which could only be endured at best through the ingestion of central nervous system stimulants,as he determined there and then that he would henceforth be master of his own destiny..

Steve you've offered us so MANY triggers!!!!! Strange, when you think that we don't need to look for them with Sheila. They're glaringly obvious.

[susan]

steve from what I remember about young men of 24 the last thing they yearn for is children they do not like to be tied down and as I said earlier farmers from Jeremy's background like to sow their wild oats until they are about 30 then the children come along.  It is also my opinion that young men of that age don't fall asleep in the chair at the side of the fire or TV that is a more mature mans trait in other words and old guy.

[Adam]

Steve, nothing in the first part of your post in any way proves that Jeremy "couldn't wait to get away from the farm" MOST young men drive to fast because MOST young men like to show off. For the second part, I wonder just how many of us would have ignored a 3 am phone call. The timing itself suggests emergency to me, especially back then when cold calls weren't the accepted norm.

A lot of people would ignore a 3am phone call.

A lot of people 'sleeping like a log' would not hear it.

A lot of people with answering machines would let it do it's job.

A lot of people would not get to the phone before the answering machine clicked in.

[susan]

april poor Jeremy driving too fast to get away from the farm then driving too slow not wanting to get back to the farm he cannot win

[maggie]

A lot of people would ignore a 3am phone call.

A lot of people 'sleeping like a log' would not hear it.

A lot of people with answering machines would let it do it's job.

A lot of people would not get to the phone before the answering machine clicked in.

And some people would Adam so it is a poor argument imo.

[Jane]

That's possible but to me Jeremy is in some time warp engendered firstly by his parents' lifestyle and then public school in which time seems to stand still. An answerphone would be a technological breakthrough of sorts for Jeremy,which is part of his foolproof plan to outwit everyone and escape the farming lifestyle to boot.

Steve, at the time I was married to someone who just HAD to have every new innovation which came onto the market. Jeremy wasn't JUST out of school, he's spent enough time at NEETC to know ALL about the latest, must have gadgets that young men couldn't live without.

[Adam]

Perhaps Jeremy did not receive a call from Neville ?

Judge Drake did call it 'mysterious'.

But Jeremy said he is innocent.

[maggie]

april poor Jeremy driving too fast to get away from the farm then driving too slow not wanting to get back to the farm he cannot win

[Steve_uk]

steve from what I remember about young men of 24 the last thing they yearn for is children they do not like to be tied down and as I said earlier farmers from Jeremy's background like to sow their wild oats until they are about 30 then the children come along.  It is also my opinion that young men of that age don't fall asleep in the chair at the side of the fire or TV that is a more mature mans trait in other words and old guy.

But Jeremy's catchphrase was "let's make babies" and it was under his instruction that Sue Ford allegedly became pregnant,possibly not wanting more children after already having three of her own.

[maggie]

A lot of people would ignore a 3am phone call.

A lot of people 'sleeping like a log' would not hear it.

A lot of people with answering machines would let it do it's job.

A lot of people would not get to the phone before the answering machine clicked in.

I would and do always answer calls in the night as I never know who in my family or friends may be in trouble and need help.