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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2325 on: December 22, 2013, 03:30:PM »
None of the things you have mentioned regarding Sheila make her a murderer or prove Sheila to be a murderer. On the other side it is often stated Jeremy's arrogance, greed and behaviour post events do not make him a murderer. However, in both cases they may provide some clues.

I have re stated tonight if what Mike says he has is true then there is categorical physical proof Jeremy could not have committed the murders which means it must have been Sheila. However, for some unknown reason Mike will not or does not want to physically reveal or share what he says he has alleged he has in his possession.

Currently and consistently, I believe the answer as to whom committed the murdres lies in the timing and the sequence of the telephone calls. Such events all occured before any silencers were found and do not involve any relatives. For me Jeremy's explanations of these events remains inconsistent with both a number of other independent witness statements and the physical telephone technology that was in place at both the telephone exchange and WHF / Goldhanger at the time.

As soon as Jeremy made contact with the police on the morning of 7th August 1985 the murders could only have heavily involved Jeremy or Sheila.

Jeremy got his defence in first when he specifically names Sheila to the police and outside world.

Curious Hi, good to hear from you again.

Let's be clear, Mike has no such evidence - it's simply a ruse.

If he has got it then show it.

If he hasn't (which he hasn't) let's just drop it!

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« Last Edit: December 22, 2013, 03:54:PM by Nickos »
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2326 on: December 22, 2013, 03:53:PM »
Who else can you blame it on ?

The boogie!!
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« Reply #2327 on: December 22, 2013, 03:59:PM »
Yeah you have said that about a million times now, you don't believe the call took place and that Jeremy is guilty. I think we all got that. As for me and quite a few others - we do believe he got the call and that he's not guilty!! End of argument really! However, if his guilt is 'all' so crystal clear, I don't understand why you're here?

Well if I keep repeating it it might sink in: however you have made up your mind and I have mine.

You keep repeating yourself about his innocence, and I don't see why I can't keep repeating myself about his guilt - over and out - you don't have to reply  ::)
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« Reply #2328 on: December 22, 2013, 04:10:PM »
You're AGAIN talking about what YOU might do and you're doing so with the FULL benefit of hindsight. You have no idea what Nevill would or wouldn't do and applying the outcome of events to the whole scenario. It may not have erupted into a life death struggle from the start - events may have evolved. You know no more than I do and so if my suggestion is 'absolute rubbish' so indeed is yours!!

I asked you the question about the shotgun, why shouldn't you answer it? Afraid so say that 'Sheila must have handled it'?

No, I am talking about what I believe a rational farmer (well most people) would do - you simply refuse to accept my rationale because it doesn't fit with your theory.

Afraid - what of?

If Sheilas finger print was found on a shotgun so what? - it's as meaningful as your palm print on the bible theory - it means nothing!!

You tell me what it means?

Maybe Nevill asked Sheila to move the shotgun during her stay at whf to a safer place in the house away from the twins; or

Maybe Sheila went to fetch the shotgun to repel JB whilst he was gunning down June? 

JB kills them all and then replaces the shotgun where ever it was found - we can make stories up all day long?

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2329 on: December 22, 2013, 04:11:PM »

Do you know what IMO means ? Do you know what discussion means? Do you know what forums are for? No I thought not.  ::)

Adam´s posts more and more come across as some kind of lobbying to smear Jeremy Bamber - he is writing in repeat as if he were paid for it. Perhaps he is.
Something significant in Jeremy´s case may come up soon. I think that is what it is all about.

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« Reply #2330 on: December 22, 2013, 04:19:PM »
Adam´s posts more and more come across as some kind of lobbying to smear Jeremy Bamber - he is writing in repeat as if he were paid for it. Perhaps he is.
Something significant in Jeremy´s case may come up soon. I think that is what it is all about.



There's definitely something in the wind with him,Alias. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks it a bit " iffy ". The messenger,eh ?

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« Reply #2331 on: December 22, 2013, 04:24:PM »
I have said several times there was no call from Neville & gave 19 reasons why Neville would not phone Jeremy. The judge called the alleged phone call mysterious.

Hi Adam,

I support your thinking and the 19 point list.

Some seem to not accept the obvious!
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2332 on: December 22, 2013, 04:35:PM »
Hi Adam,

I support your thinking and the 19 point list.

Some seem to not accept the obvious!

Hi Nickos :)

Where are these points on this thread.... :-*

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« Reply #2333 on: December 22, 2013, 04:51:PM »
Hi Nickos :)

Where are these points on this thread.... :-*



Page 66.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2334 on: December 22, 2013, 05:00:PM »
Hi Nickos :)

Where are these points on this thread.... :-*

Hi Patti, to save you looking.....  :-*

Reasons for Neville not to phone Jeremy (edit: by Adam) -

1) Jeremy may not answer the phone. If he does it may not be for a long time. It was 3am. Jeremy himself said in the interview transcripts he slept 'like a log' that night.

2) Jeremy will not be over for a long time. He has to get dressed & drive over.

3) Neville is putting his son Jeremy in danger. Sheila has gone 'crazy' with a gun.

4) Neville was big, strong & had been in the army. As the head of the family his pride will make him want to resolve the situation. As Jeremy said, Neville would want to keep things private. If Jeremy knew Neville liked to keep things private, why did he phone the police ?

5) Jeremy & Sheila did not get on. Jeremy telling the police on the night 'I don't get on with her at all. I don't like her & she does'nt like me'. Jeremy also told the police on the night Sheila is a 'nutter'.

6) Jeremy has said himself that in 1985 he did not understand Sheila's illness. Neville would have known this & knew Jeremy may be insensitive in a serious situation.

7) Several people have testified that Jeremy hated his parents. Neville would be aware of this. Would Jeremy be bothered enough to drive over quickly, or drive over at all ?  The police have testified that Jeremy was driving very slowly to WHF.

8) Having Jeremy there would make the situation worse. Barbara Wilson said there was often a bad atmosphere in the house when Jeremy was present.

9) Neville answered the phone that evening before 10am. He was apparently short & the caller said it sounded like she had interrupted an argument. Had Jeremy been upsetting people ? If so it is doubtful Nevill will ask him back over a few hours later.

10) Having more people in the house may make Sheila more 'crazy'.

11) Jeremy did not have a front door key (as far as I know). Was a 'crazy' Sheila going to let Neville answer the front door ? Or was Jeremy going to shout through the letterbox !

12) Jeremy was not known for being especially brave or macho. Certainly no more so than Neville. As mentioned Jeremy was seen driving very slowly to WHF.

13) According to Barbara Wilson,  Neville knew Jeremy had broken into the caravan site & stole nearly £1,000. Neville & Jeremy's relationship at the time would have been very poor.

14) Jeremy claimed several years later that there was proof Neville phoned the police. The EP have never said they got a call from Neville. However if Jeremy is correct the police would be more experienced in dealing with this sort of situation. So Neville would not need to call Jeremy.

15) There is no time for Neville to make a phone call. Dial up phones are slow & the phone numbers in Essex are long. Jeremy may not answer for a long time.

16) Although Neville was proud, he was not stupid. In this serious situation if he was going to use the phone it would be to dial 999. Why ring Jeremy if the police were coming over ?

17) In the heat of the moment it is doubtful Neville will think 'let me phone Jeremy who will sort everything out'.

18) Jeremy had worked a long day at the farm. Tomorrow would be another long day. Neville knew Jeremy needed his rest.

19) Neville & Sheila got on well. If Neville could not contain her, Jeremy certainly could not.
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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2335 on: December 22, 2013, 05:06:PM »
Thank you Nickos.... ;D ;D ;D ;D :-*

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Re: The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.
« Reply #2336 on: December 22, 2013, 05:07:PM »
Neville in the excitement may not have thought of 19 reasons.

He may have just thought of one or two of these. That would still be enough to stop him phoning.

Sub conciously he may have most or some of these reasons in his mind. Phoning Jeremy would never have crossed his mind.
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« Reply #2337 on: December 22, 2013, 05:14:PM »
Phoning the police, maybe. But no one from EP have ever said they got a call from Neville.
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« Reply #2338 on: December 22, 2013, 05:23:PM »
Could you not find 20 Adam lol I must reply to this I like a challenge.... :P

1) Jeremy may not answer the phone. But he might If he does it may not be for a long time. It was 3am. This can be argued against Jeremy himself said in the interview transcripts he slept 'like a log' that night.

2) Jeremy will not be over for a long time. He has to get dressed & drive over. He would in fact be quicker than the police.

3) Neville is putting his son Jeremy in danger. Sheila has gone 'crazy' with a gun. Not really at this point if this was the case Neville would need his son's support and would not want the police involved at all.

4) Neville was big, strong & had been in the army. As the head of the family his pride will make him want to resolve the situation. As Jeremy said, Neville would want to keep things private. You answered your question to the above If Jeremy knew Neville liked to keep things private, why did he phone the police ? Maybe he couldn't be arsed after his 12 shift at the farm

5) Jeremy & Sheila did not get on. Jeremy telling the police on the night 'I don't get on with her at all. I don't like her & she does'nt like me'. Jeremy also told the police on the night Sheila is a 'nutter'. Untrue in all respect...Jeremy was the one who took her home from CC's party. Shelia had visited Jeremy that day with the twins and sat with twins in the tractor like normal brothers do. This was in the statement of a farmhand who witnessed this.

6) Jeremy has said himself that in 1985 he did not understand Sheila's illness. Neville would have known this & knew Jeremy may be insensitive in a serious situation. True

7) Several people have testified that Jeremy hated his parents. There is also statements that contradict this Neville would be aware of this. Would Jeremy be bothered enough to drive over quickly, or drive over at all ?  The police have testified that Jeremy was driving very slowly to WHF. He was told to wait for them.

8) Having Jeremy there would make the situation worse. Barbara Wilson said there was often a bad atmosphere in the house when Jeremy was present. This is possible but hardly cause to commit murder

9) Neville answered the phone that evening before 10am. He was apparently short & the caller said it sounded like she had interrupted an argument. Had Jeremy been upsetting people ? If so it is doubtful Nevill will ask him back over a few hours later.  Can you prove that Jeremy was there when BW called? Was he not on the phone to Julie round about that time?

10) Having more people in the house may make Sheila more 'crazy'. This is possible

11) Jeremy did not have a front door key (as far as I know). Was a 'crazy' Sheila going to let Neville answer the front door ? Or was Jeremy going to shout through the letterbox ! tut!!

12) Jeremy was not known for being especially brave or macho. Certainly no more so than Neville. As mentioned Jeremy was seen driving very slowly to WHF. Correct Jeremy was not a brave person and did not enjoy killing animals did he.

13) According to Barbara Wilson,  Neville knew Jeremy had broken into the caravan site & stole nearly £1,000. Neville & Jeremy's relationship at the time would have been very poor. We don't know this for certain.

14) Jeremy claimed several years later that there was proof Neville phoned the police. The EP have never said they got a call from Neville. However if Jeremy is correct the police would be more experienced in dealing with this sort of situation. So Neville would not need to call Jeremy. The calls cannot be proved, but I really do think that there was not enough pressure on BT to delve into the calls.

15) There is no time for Neville to make a phone call. Dial up phones are slow & the phone numbers in Essex are long. Jeremy may not answer for a long time. The phone numbers were the same in every County, surely lol

16) Although Neville was proud, he was not stupid. In this serious situation if he was going to use the phone it would be to dial 999. Why ring Jeremy if the police were coming over ? I think this was addressed earlier on?

17) In the heat of the moment it is doubtful Neville will think 'let me phone Jeremy who will sort everything out'. We don't know what he might have been thinking at the time.

18) Jeremy had worked a long day at the farm. Tomorrow would be another long day. Neville knew Jeremy needed his rest. No comment

19) Neville & Sheila got on well. If Neville could not contain her, Jeremy certainly could not. Again we don't know this and its pure speculation.

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« Reply #2339 on: December 22, 2013, 05:25:PM »
Adam really!!! does not mean to say they did not get one ;) ;) ;)