The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[lookout]

..and I think political correctness might play some part as social workers are reluctant to take children from ethnic minority or immigrant parents.

Nothing to do with ethnics or immigrants,Steve. As I see it,it's mainly whites who abuse/neglect/kill their children. They all need re-training to my mind.

[Jane]

An off the cuff remark similar to Jeremy's claim that the Police had killed his parents.Had Colin or social workers had any grounds to think Sheila a danger to her children they would not have left them in her care.

Sorry Steve, that won't wash because she's had private psych care and they don't involve themselves with NHS and social services. Colin had the main responsibility for the childrens' care with the minimum of input from SS.

[Steve_uk]

Nothing to do with ethnics or immigrants,Steve. As I see it,it's mainly whites who abuse/neglect/kill their children. They all need re-training to my mind.

I was thinking of Victoria Climbie,Hamzah Khan and Daniel Pelka.

[lookout]

I was thinking of Victoria Climbie,Hamzah Khan and Daniel Pelka.

I was also thinking of Daniel,as well as Peter,,all of who were overlooked/ignored by the people who let them down. All the signs were there,the same as with Sheilas' twins when the school-teacher pointed it out. That was in the early 80's this is the 21st century and still happening,,so the problem lies with the social workers and their lack of communication between other professionals.

[lookout]

I was also thinking of Daniel,as well as Peter,,all of who were overlooked/ignored by the people who let them down. All the signs were there,the same as with Sheilas' twins when the school-teacher pointed it out. That was in the early 80's this is the 21st century and still happening,,so the problem lies with the social workers and their lack of communication between other professionals.

So,,what does it tell you Steve ? That we're no further on with mental illness than we were in the early 80's.

[Jane]

So,,what does it tell you Steve ? That we're no further on with mental illness than we were in the early 80's.

IMO, Lookout, we've taken a retrograde step.

[gringo]

..and I think political correctness might play some part as social workers are reluctant to take children from ethnic minority or immigrant parents.

The implications of some of your postings do not suggest that you are a reasonable , fair minded person, Steve

[lookout]

IMO, Lookout, we've taken a retrograde step.

You're telling me,April. Just what is happening ? Or not,as the case maybe.

[Steve_uk]

Sorry Steve, that won't wash because she's had private psych care and they don't involve themselves with NHS and social services. Colin had the main responsibility for the childrens' care with the minimum of input from SS.

On the contrary;if you read Dr.Ferguson's statements he urged Sheila to continue treatment on the NHS. I also find it unlikely that he would not have informed social services at the first opportunity if he believed Sheila to be capable of harming the boys.

[lookout]

On the contrary;if you read Dr.Ferguson's statements he urged Sheila to continue treatment on the NHS. I also find it unlikely that he would not have informed social services at the first opportunity if he believed Sheila to be capable of harming the boys.

At least the teacher/s at the twins school  put their feelers out to the social services,,which was more in this day and age that they did for poor Daniel Pelka when they saw him rummaging in the bin for food.
The boys were being neglected,Steve.Getting their own breakfasts,dressing themselves and going without a wash. Their drawings reflected their home life,yet nobody picked up on that alone,which should have happened because there was no such thing as PC in those days,but sadly the authorities were as blind then as they are now.

[Steve_uk]

The implications of some of your postings do not suggest that you are a reasonable , fair minded person, Steve

I'd far rather be called politically incorrect and those three children still alive today. I'll say it again:too many social workers are reluctant to take children of immigrants or an ethnic minority background away from their parents lest they be labelled racist..

[lookout]

I'd far rather be called politically incorrect and those three children still alive today. I'll say it again:too many social workers are reluctant to take children of immigrants or an ethnic minority background away from their parents lest they be labelled racist..

I say tuff to that,,as I'm not a PC person by any means. I do and say what I think best,not what's dictated to me. It wouldn't matter to me what colour the children were,as abuse is abuse and I'd whip them away from harm, no problem.

[SirSimeon2003]

She would never have committed suicide in the same room as her mother.

Uhhhhh that is EXACTLY what YOU and 90% of the people on this board believe happened .......you believe Sheila murdered her family then committed suicide in her parent's bedroom.......DUH ..........

[SirSimeon2003]

Well done Adam clap clap clap

[lookout]

Yes, he's managed to cause quite a distraction.

I don't know about a distraction.I'd call it a blooming annoyance,personally, because he completely ignores my posts ! Makes me wonder why.