The bedroom phone, phone calls & Neville.

[Alias]

My friend's wife has to make sure her son takes his medication. If she doesn't he won't take it. I wonder if Sheila was the same?

She was - Her doctor said as much. She didn´t keep their appointmentsm she took her medication irregularly. It is very typical actually. I think they gave her shots because of that - but then a doctor suddenly decided to halve the shot...

[Alias]

Her medication and state of mind is a big issue.

Her ex husband Colin Caffell & other relatives said it made her clumsy and un cordinated. Barely able to put sugar in tea. I assume Colin had seen her recently to hand over the children. However other people say the medication was too weak to prevent the psychotic episode. Psychiatrists hired by the defence all said Sheila was not capable of such a murderous ramage. They would have all been told about her medication.

Jeremy may have believed that no one would swallow Sheila going crazy for no reason. So invented the fostering conversation as a trigger.

Her parents & ex husband certainly were not expecting it.

Upon learning about the killings, the first thing Colin said was: "So she finally did it..." HE was expecting it.

[maggie]

My friend's wife has to make sure her son takes his medication. If she doesn't he won't take it. I wonder if Sheila was the same?

Think it is one of the difficulties of schizophrenia that sufferers tend not to take their medication and this is what causes them and others so much trouble.
Seems Sheila wasn't taking her meds as she had cut back drastically on her Haloperidol and the only other meds in her system was traces of cannabis which she had smoked a few days before.

[HMEssex]

Indeed we are, Alias, but where fostering had previously worked well, Sheila may not have felt that everything had been taken away from her.

Good point - perhaps she felt trapped at WHF and, once again, the 'parents' were taking over. (Speculation on my part  )

[grahameb]

She was - Her doctor said as much. She didn´t keep their appointmentsm she took her medication irregularly. It is very typical actually. I think they gave her shots because of that - but then a doctor suddenly decided to halve the shot...

A bit like the psychopaths the doctors let out of prison telling the authorities that they are no longer any danger to the public. Psychiatrists are not the best judges in the world when it comes to summing up people's characters.

[HMEssex]

Adam,

What are you hoping to achieve on here?  It looks like some kind of patrician inspired assistance to the police / authorities? 

I'm not sure that constantly regurgitating aspects of the original prosecution case will achieve what you seek?  The same can be said for anti-Jeremy anecdotes. 

Why are you trying to curry favour with bent coppers and less than honest relatives?

Good questions here. 

Adam?

[Jan]

Think it is one of the difficulties of schizophrenia that sufferers tend not to take their medication and this is what causes them and others so much trouble.
Seems Sheila wasn't taking her meds as she had cut back drastically on her Haloperidol and the only other meds in her system was traces of cannabis which she had smoked a few days before.

I think as well if Adam does some research on this illness it is rare that someone with Schizophrenia If they do kill , kill strangers. It is more likely family or people who care for them. And yes quite often it is difficult for them to take medication as they quite often do not acknowledge  their illness. Also  to say she was not capable of the attack is too much of a generalisation. Look at other recorded cases where the families did not think it would happen to them either. Very sad .

[Alias]

A bit like the psychopaths the doctors let out of prison telling the authorities that they are no longer any danger to the public. Psychiatrists are not the best judges in the world when it comes to summing up people's characters.

That´s right, we see it time and time again!
For me huge alarms go off when I read what Sheila said about her little boys and about her mother. Six-year-olds raping and killing her - come on!

[susan]

Hello Roch

I have asked Adam these questions time and time again.  No reply.  I have reassured him Jeremy Bamber is serving life in prison so why is Adam doing his utmost to prove Jeremy Guilty not making sense to me at all.

[Adam]

Upon learning about the killings, the first thing Colin said was: "So she finally did it..." HE was expecting it.

Why did he let Sheila take the children ?

I have heard that that quote was taken out of context. Colin had heard there had been some trouble at WHF but did not know the details.

[Alias]

Why did he let Sheila take the children ?

I have heard that that quote was taken out of context. Colin had heard there had been some trouble at WHF but did not know the details.

Good question! He had a new girlfriend, needed alone-time with her? He thought they would be safe because June and Nevill were there.

[Jane]

Good point - perhaps she felt trapped at WHF and, once again, the 'parents' were taking over. (Speculation on my part  )

In a written report of an interview with her Dr F says she told him she hated going to the farm.

[Adam]

Hello Roch

I have asked Adam these questions time and time again.  No reply.  I have reassured him Jeremy Bamber is serving life in prison so why is Adam doing his utmost to prove Jeremy Guilty not making sense to me at all.

I like dicussing a case I am interested in.


I do not need to explain myself.

[susan]

Adam yes two Appeals have failed but you never know what the future holds

[Adam]

I think as well if Adam does some research on this illness it is rare that someone with Schizophrenia If they do kill , kill strangers. It is more likely family or people who care for them. And yes quite often it is difficult for them to take medication as they quite often do not acknowledge  their illness. Also  to say she was not capable of the attack is too much of a generalisation. Look at other recorded cases where the families did not think it would happen to them either. Very sad .

Has there ever been a case of mother, father, children murdered & then suicide ?

Sheila was seen earlier in the day. Walking with her children. She seemed happy. Oh I forgot, Jeremy said the parents had mentioned fostering.